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Old Mystery Rose?

10 months ago
last modified: 10 months ago

Years ago, while hiking in the Adirondacks, I came across a rose growing along the remnants of a long-gone cabin with it growing against the remnants of a stone chimney. I took cuttings and managed to get one to take and now have the rose in my garden. Classic pink, strongly fragrant, extremely cold hardy, and grows to about 15' so I suspect it is a climber since it takes over much of my fence in the summer. The flower starts to fade around the edges as soon as it's fully open.

I suspect it is a very old rose. Does anyone have a clue what this might be?









Comments (19)

  • 10 months ago

    Wonderful!

    lovetogarden thanked jerijen
  • 10 months ago

    15" or 15'?

  • 10 months ago

    Sorry, I just fixed it. 15 feet.

  • 9 months ago

    Blue Moon is a hybrid tea. This is very cold hardy (zone 4) so it can't be that. Sorry about the pictures. They are a true baby pink.

  • 9 months ago

    I thought it had a HT form, too, and was also wondering about the strong fragrance. I don't know much about true cold-climate roses, but would think that that this rose would climb in Zone 4 would narrow the field of possibilities quite a lot.

    lovetogarden thanked Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
  • 9 months ago

    I wonder, is there any way to ask rose society members in the Adirondacks area? Someone somewhere must know. It really looks and sounds like a keeper!

    lovetogarden thanked Need2SeeGreen 10 (SoCal)
  • 9 months ago
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    No clue, but if you ever do find out (from Adirondacks rose society members?), I hope you post it here. Would the Syracuse Rose Society be nearby?

  • 2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    'Blue Moon' was one of the earliest "purple" hybrid tea rose varieties, released in the U.S. in 1965.


    The lighter mauve color in your pictures is consistent with that variety. For comparison, here is a picture of some Blue Moon roses which are not in very good shape and look a little faded.

  • 2 months ago

    Blue Moon is only hardy to Z7b. This rose was found in Z4. Blue Moon, climbing form or not, wouldn't stand a chance in those winters, certainly not abandoned and unprotected. The OP also says the color in her photos is deceptive. It's actually "a true baby pink". Also, the found rose was living next the ruins of a cabin, so there's a possibility that it's much older than the 1978 introduction date of the climbing form, which this is (it is 15' tall). Though it resembles some pix of BM, I think we'll have to look elsewhere for an ID. I'm wondering if it might be an old Brownell rose? Or even Dr. W. Van Fleet, the sport parent of New Dawn and parent of many Brownell roses?


    HMF Dr. W. Van Fleet


    HMF Pink Climbing Brownell Roses:


    Show Garden

    Early Morn


  • 2 months ago

    No. New Dawn wimps out abou 20 miles north of me. It wouldn' make it in the Adirondacks. Brownells aren't much better.


  • 2 months ago
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    @mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY) Welp, we're back to first base, lol.

    EDIT: It would be so helpful to know if this rose is remontant, but I guess we'll never know unless it's ID'd through other means.

  • 2 months ago

    No, it only blooms once in the season. A late bloomer. It's full of buds right now. I will take more pictures when it does.

  • 2 months ago

    Take some good pictures of the leaves, canes, etc. That is what is going to help the ID.

  • 2 months ago

    Late bloomer might imply setigera in its parentage.


    The color and vigor reminds me of a found rose from upper TN. Before you dismiss it as temperature limited, remember that in the 1980s we had a three day spell of temps in the minus teens and those days it never got up to zero F.

    The found rose was growing under a collapsed barn.

    I've also seen it growing in zone 4/5 over in North Carolina which means it might have been sold through the Biltmore catalog.

    I think it was two lady names and named for the daughter of the Secretary of Agriculture (which would have been a very W Van Fleet thing to do).


    I'll see if I can find the name somewhere, my plant was too tasty to the vole mole population in the good soil at the bottom of our hill.

  • 2 months ago
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    "The found rose was growing under a collapsed barn."

    Then it very likely could be a seedling from another rose (if it was growing in the area that was originally covered by the barn). That would make sense. (The original rose may not have survived all those years because it was growing on rootstock) Seedlings tend to pop up in partially shaded areas like near the edge of bushes or under a pile of collapsed wood, which can hold moisture in the summer and help protect the small plant.

  • 2 months ago

    Urn shaped buds, matte foliage, once bloomer? Strange. I don't see fused styles in the images but that usually breeds away after introduction of non-Synstylae lines. Honestly seems to have R. Chinensis DNA in it a little. Reminds me of those cold hardy Canadian hybrids

  • 2 months ago

    @stillanntn6b Ann, would that rose be Mary Wallace? It's not "TWO lady names, but she was the daughter of the Secretary of State, and had a climbing PINK rose named after her by Van Fleet, lol.

    From Google:

    Mary Wallace was the daughter of U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Henry C. Wallace, who served in the cabinets of Presidents Harding and Coolidge in the 1920s. In 1921, agricultural scientist Dr. Walter Van Fleet introduced the 'Mary Wallace' rose

  • 2 months ago

    Fascinating history!