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HELP! Outdoor Kitchen Dilemma

last month

Finally pulled the trigger on building an outdoor kitchen off our sidewalk. It struck me that I should check with our town’s fire safety department, and I was told I should pull a permit.
I’ve applied for the permit and it is pending inspection. I’ve heard through the grapevine that our town code requires 10 feet between the grill/ side burner and any combustible construction. Our siding behind the grill is shaker which is very combustible! The grill company who is building the grill insists that’s the grill specifies 3’ only.
The other concern is the electrical panel that is on the wall right behind the grill. Current design leaves 4’ between grill and siding at best. What would you do?
Should I reconsider this location entirely or replace the siding with stone veneer to eliminate combustibility concern? What are your thoughts on grills constructed right against the property? I want this done right and don’t want to generate a risk for which our insurance company can penalize us. I’ve attached an image of the corner where the kitchen is planned, and a quick AI rendering of the kitchen island. Appreciate any advice!

Comments (36)

  • last month

    Don’t hear through the grapevine, read the code in your area. It needs to be followed.

  • last month

    I’m waiting on the inspection. I definitely cannot have 10’ clearance so trying to figure out a back up plan.

  • last month

    Why don’t you read the code? Then you can make a plan tust meets it.

  • last month

    I tried, the information is not that clear to interpret, at least for me. I spoke with at least 5 contractors and none of them mentioned a fire safety code. I’m going through a renowned grill company to build it and nothing was brought up about that. The grapevine I mentioned was someone I spoke to at the county office who thought it was 10 feet. I applied for the permit as advised and will see if replacing the siding with stone for that area would solve the issue. Wanted to hear other perspectives considering proximity to the house and the electrical panel.
    It is interesting because there is a built in gas line in that corner for the grill!

  • PRO
    last month

    The first thing that struck me from your AI generated photo is that the outdoor kitchen looks like it was offloaded from a truck and just dumped in a temporary location. Can you post a to scale plan that would better help us see what the relationship between the house and the kitchen is?

  • last month

    Make an in-person appointment at the city's permit department. That's the quickest way to get the real safety info you need.

  • last month

    Could you rotate it 90 degrees counter-clockwise so that the sink backs up to the cedar shake wall and the grill is at the end of the run of cabinets protruding from the corner of the house? If your current plan puts space between the outdoor kitchen and the house, that feels like you would be creating a lot of wasted space.

  • last month

    " I’ve heard through the grapevine that our town code requires 10 feet between the grill/ side burner and any combustible construction. "


    Step one is to determine if this is fact or not. As apple_pie states above, make an appointment at the building dept. if necessary.

  • PRO
    last month

    Sorry bad place for an outdoor kitchen IMO way too many issues for sure.

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    You need to look up the regulations, which you will almost certainly be able to find on-line, and read them. You can call your town's permit department. If you are talking to contractors or the grill company, find out who is responsible for the permits. If it is them, make sure you have in your contract that they will remedy any code problems at no cost. If it is you, then make sure you read those regulations and specify in your contract that they will meet them.

    I'm not sure that stone veneer over what is very probably a wooden frame will solve your problem.


    PS. A friend just had an idiot guest cause a small fire. The fire department was called and that brought the code enforcement officers. They came down hard and said work done by a reputable contractor 10 years before was out of code because it was something like one inch outside of the permitable area. The problem was completely unrelated to the cause of the fire. They proclaimed the place unfit for habitation and it took months and lots on money to bring it back to code.


    So, you really don't want to mess up with building codes.

  • last month

    Thank you Sigrid, agreed!!!!
    I am tracking down that information through the town. I won’t move forward until I have my bases
    covered.

  • last month

    It seems like smoke might go in an open window. Maybe make this a seating/dining area with a separate pavilion on the other side of the sidewalk for the kitchen.

  • last month

    A permanent built-in grille would be different than a wheeled one.

    I agree with comments about the design in general, more information would be needed to advise you on a better direction. People often get caught up in the nitty gritty of a single issue ("let's put stone siding on"), and can't see the forest for the trees that this appears to be a strange layout for a permanent outdoor kitchen.

  • last month

    Thank you for your comment. I’m still waiting on a response from the town. This is a rough rendering of the plan, can you please elaborate on why it is strange? I appreciate your input

  • last month

    Why don’t you show the whole backyard? Show the way people grt out to the yard, give measurements etc.

  • last month

    Assuming this is the only space on your property for the outdoor kitchen -- I would put the built-ins as a free-standing unit 180 degrees from what you have shown so that you make a kind of room with the house walls as 2 of the walls and the barbeque-sink structure as the other two walls. Put it far enough away from the house so that it is not actually connected to it and there is an aisle at the two corners. Make the space large enough so that you can have a small table or chairs in the space between the house and the barbeque structure. Is this in the front yard or the back yard?

  • PRO
    last month
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    YES, the Fire generating appliance needs to be a minimum of 10' away from the residence. National Fire Protection Association thing. And if you ever plan on putting a roof over it, you will need a vent, so it doesn't trap the smoke. You will need both plumbing and electrical that is outdoor rated for this design. And the design needs to start over completely, so that it is code compliant.

  • last month

    Thank you! I’m thankful for this group to talk me out of that location.
    Back to the drawing board. Thank you for all your input

  • PRO
    last month

    If you post some pics of the whole back yard you might get some greathelp here but when we work in the dark not much can be done .

  • last month

    I’m will be posting some additional photos shortly. Thank you so much!

  • last month

    I’ve attached a few photos. It’s chilly out there so excuse the mess and quality of the images.
    The first few show entry to backyard, previous plan had grill in that corner on the left but I’m over that.
    I’ve take images from different perspectives. Note that a patio cover is to be installed. It is my preference not to put the kitchen on the patio as I may screen it in the future and hope to keep area clean for seating. But I’m open to extending the patio in any particular direction that makes sense. I’ve also included a very rough rendering of the patio cover.

  • last month

    More photos

  • last month

    More with a rendering of the pavillion

  • last month

    None LD this show where you want the kitchen to go. Can kind of see it off to the side on one photo but it’s a terrible spot for it. Far from the door.

  • last month

    You have a nice-sized back yard! Plenty of space for adding what you want. For such an expensive and permanent addition to your yard, it would be best to hire a landscape designer who has experience and knowledge of codes, etc., to give you a complete design. After seeing this -- definitely don't put it in the corner that you originally proposed.

  • last month

    Ditto ^^^!!

  • last month

    I have contacted a few designers and waiting to hear back. This is the new proposed location but by extending the patio to the right so the grill is further to the right with the same configuration

  • last month

    Money well spent, IMO!

  • last month

    I’m a little confused now. Is the pavilion going to be a standalone structure/ building—separate from the house—somewhere in the yard? Or does that rendering represent a covered patio structure that you are planning to attach to your existing sunroom on the back of the house?

  • last month

    The latter: it’s a patio cover that is planned.

  • last month

    It is very easy to look up building codes for your city - just Google "(name of city, state) building code outdoor kitchens" - and you will find it. I believe 10' is common for the distance required between grill and combustible materials.


    You have a pretty yard and house!

  • last month

    Thank you! I know now it’s 10’ and that old corner wasn’t gonna work. I’m over it and happy I am because I didn’t love it there. The flow just doesn’t work. I wanted the grill away from my seating area but I just need to look in a different t direction.

  • PRO
    last month

    So that is a plan to add the kitchen outside ? Please give us afloorplan of the home so we can see what spaces are where .

  • PRO
    last month

    "It is very easy to look up building codes for your city..."


    You'd better do more than "look up". The building code is what the inspector says it is on the day he says it. Much better to recap a conversation in an email, but even after approving, inspectors can change their minds.

  • last month

    Perhaps it's best to consider a new location as you say but I wondered if your original corner would work if you turned your layout 180 degrees so it kind of completes the corner of your house. Your walking space would be near the house and your "L" would face out toward the yard. You have some other picturesque areas though and your kitchen should "find" a nice new location somewhere in there!