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Small galley kitchen in an apartment building. Please see photo attached. Small interior apartment vent in wall measures about 12" wide by 10" high - top is at 24" above counter top - cannot be moved. Electrical can't be moved. Gut renovation. Not opening any walls. Refrigerator wall is about 113 inches and sink wall is about 118 inches. Top door goes to dining alcove. Sink needs to stay where it is. On sink side, we will swap position of dishwasher and combo washer dryer. The building has no gas, so will be going induction. Everything else can be changed swapped. Of course, there's not much space to work with.

I can't decide on a layout.

Option 1. Eliminate pantry and move fridge down (we have pantry in a closet - not pictured). Contemplating doing a wall oven on the refrigerator side (close to top of picture) with a microwave niche (so I don't have to bend to use the oven and so I can buy an invertor microwave and place the microwave lower down for short family member. Do not want under counter microwave - too low for me). Place cooktop on sink side at top of picture. That's where the vent is. The left side of the counter top next to cooktop will only have 3 5/16" before wall. If I do a wall oven, will lose precious counter space on refrigerator side.

Option 2. Eliminate pantry "...". Induction range on sink side at top of picture. The left side of the counter top next to cooktop will only have 3 5/16" before wall. I don't know where to place the microwave. OTR microwave would be too high because it has to be above the vent.

Option 3. Eliminate pantry "..." Induction range roughly where current range is pictured but counter to the left of range would ahve more width than counter to the right of range...use over the range (OTR) microwave.

There are more options that play with elements of the above. Not much space to work with but want to optimize. Choice between saving back from bending (wall oven), more counter top (range), and getting a counter top microwave to sit on a shelf (better microwave with invertor technology and easily replaceable) or going with OTR microwave for more cabinet/space but harder to replace.

Also, I need to place a toaster oven somewhere. I was thinking about using a shelf in an upper cabinet somewhere...

Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.


EDIT: Photos of current kitchen







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    you are pretty limited if you can't move much.

    Yes eliminate the pantry and move the refrigerator down to the end will make the room feel more open. No to the separate wall oven, for the little one is used now, keep it part of the cooktop. Place the microwave where it is convenient to you. same with toaster oven.

    I'd move the W/D to the vent end. You don't want a stove right next to the refrigerator, need a space between (heat factor)

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    Do you have room to move the washer/dryer to the lower end of the sink? If so, I would do that and move the dishwasher down as planned. I don't think you can afford the counter space for a cooktop and wall oven. Make the pantry into a 9" pullout pantry and move the fridge down to give you more counter space around the stove. Using as many drawers as possible will greatly increase your storage. Are you planning any upper cabinets?

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    @Lyn Nielson Thanks. The vent end is at the dining alcove. We plan to move the W/D to the opposite end (the right of the sink) which is near the secondary enterance and back of the kitchen. In the option where we keep the stove on the fridge side, there would be at least a 27" counter between the fridge and the range.

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    @katinparadise Thanks. Yes, we will move the W/D to th right of the sink and swap with the dishwasher which will be to the left of the sink. (when facing the sink). We will have upper cabinets on both sides. Note sure about the 9" pantry, but thank you for your suggestion. If you have a preferred option of the three mentioned above, please let me know.

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    how wide are the 2 aisles [kitchen and hallway aisle] ?? . kitchen is too small to warrant a 30 inch wide/ 24 inch deep pantry. can some of the lower wall in the hall area be used for some open storage...shallow shelves can be useful. once you eliminate your large pantry you have better options.


    use of lower wall in hall ..if possible. [built in shelves as below ] [sometimes you can recess them between studs also]


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    @herbflavor If you are referring to the width of the kitchen - the entire width is 86" across. The middle walkway is 35.25". I'm not sure what you mean by hallway aisle, but the wall behind the pantry (a structural column represented as black) is planned to have a 7" deep floor to cabinet on it (facing doorway at other end of hallway. To accommodate this, we are making a diagonal cutout in the sink side cabinet at the end of the run so that there is sufficient turn radius to get into the galley kitchen and not interfere with the 7" cabinet. I think you might be thinking of this. Thanks.

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    do you mean 7 inch deep floor to ceiling cabinet with fixed shelves ..facing down the non kitchen hall? [the back of this is against the black rectangle?] if so, eliminate the pantry. you need to maxiimize counter areas on left and right side of kitchen

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    @herbflavor Yes, the 7" deep shallow cabinet will face down the non-kitchen hall. Yes, we will eliminate the pantry. I have some concern about lacking deep storage for some bulky items, but it seems necessary to eliminate the pantry and move the Refrigerator down to the end of the wall.

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    Be sure to check the drain requirements of the washer/dryer you're considering. For example, the GE GFQ14ESSNWW requires a 30" standpipe while the LG WM3555HWA requires only a 24" standpipe. The GE is also deeper than the LG.

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    How about a "real life" photo of the kitchen...I see 3 doors (taking up a lot of space with the swing in install) no window....and, big issue, do you own it and have you approached the condo board about what you can and cannot do?

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    @HU-417221168 Yes. I have added real life photos of the kitchen to my original post. I hope you can see them now. There are two actual doors. There are is no door to the dining alcove (top of layout). Yes, I own the apartment. No. There is no window in the kitchen. Yes, there is an approval process to redo a kitchen and any design we propose will be ultimately reviewed by the building's architect/engineer.

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    @wdccruise Yes. Thanks. I will purchase the LG under coutner combination washer/dryer which others in my building have installed. I have added pictures of the current kitchen.

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    @katinparadise Thanks. Your comment about the refridgerator door hitting the wall next to it when the door is opened more than 90 degrees has made me think twice about totally eliminating the current 12" pantry for more counter space. Thank you for highlighting this issue. I am not sure what I will do. BTW - I added real pictures of the kitchen to my original post.

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    @herbflavor I have added real pictures of my kitchen.

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    @Lyn Nielson I have added real pictures of my kitchen.

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    I like the pantry gone. Move the frig The way your frig door opens, you don't need wall clearance. What's the dimension between the counter edges? An airfyer/toaster oven is used instead of a full size for everything ever since it was installed. Ninja DT501 with stainless interior does everything. The micromis gone. Uf the top door goes to a dining alcove I'd remove it.

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    I remember you saying that the sink had to stay in its current position. How will there be room to replace a 24" dishwasher with what appears to be a 30" washer?

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    Compact washer/dryers are 24" wide.

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    Thanks @wdccruise. I wasn't aware of that. It certainly makes more sense now.

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    @dan1888 The current refrigerator opens away from the main kitchen. We will change this out. We will be buying a new refrigerator. I now believe that I must keep some room between the fridge and the 5 or so inches of wall that is proud of the current pantry to allow for the door to open past 90 and not hit the wall and allow for the drawers to open in the fridge. The width of the walkway between the two countertops is 35.75" (I incorrectly measured it before). I will check out the Ninja DT501 - thanks for that.

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    @wdccruise @katinparadise Yes. I will be purchasing the LG 24" under counter combo washer/dryer.