I don’t think your space is large enough for an island. Id get rid of the island as well as the corner pantry.

Great project!

what are the measurements for your aisles? https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6570614/kitchen-design-opinions-needed#n=32

a lot of sinks and ranges get lined up for symmetry but then you have two people working back to back in the same area - if i was gutting the space, i’d use the chance to to move the cooktop off the island

looking at the space shown behind the cooktop the proposed island seems wider than the current one, is that the case?

not a pro - i’d likely design the kitchen without an island and then if I missed it, add a narrow feestanding one down the road

the corner pantries always seem so bulky/intrusive to me, so I’d want to rework that area - could you skip the counter for the south wall and just have floor to ceiling storage there?

Hi thanks for the comments and feedback! Perhaps the images posted aren’t clearly showing the measurements unfortunately.

The entire kitchen is roughly 18’ x 12’. The current aisles are too narrow at about 33” clear (technically 36” from cabinet faces).

But yes, the symmetry was absolutely prioritized over the function. I’d prefer to keep the island and just scootch the cooktop in either direction, but would consider moving it to the far plan east wall only if we removed the pantry.

The kitchen is a good size. The biggest hinderance is the access opening on the south east corner, as it makes it somewhat awkward with the circulation. Thank you for your input!

You'll want 48" between the island and the countertops, can you achieve that?

I'd also look at a design that elimates the corner pantry

Could you please post a layout with all the measurements of the space. All means the entire space, including the pantry.

With 12'W (I assume you mean deep), you cannot really fit an island with the minimum recommended aisles of 42" for the working sides of the island (any aisle that has a workspace, appliance, etc., on at least one side of the aisle.) That minimum means no major work zone back-to-back if more than one person is working in the Kitchen. In fact, the minimum recommended aisle width for a Kitchen with more than one person working in it is 48".

First, note that cabinet measurements only include the cabinet box - they do not include doors, hardware, or counter overhangs. All of those need to be accounted for when you're creating the layout. Also note that aisles are measured to/from the items sticking out into them the farthest - appliance handles, counter overhangs, etc.

Cabinets + Counters = 25.5" for perimeter (24"D cabinet + 1.5" counter overhang)

Island is base cabinets + 1.5" counter overhang in each side

For seating, each seats needs a minimum of 24" of linear space + 15" of unobstructed leg/knee overhang space (minimum recommendations)

12' = 144"

144"

- 25.5" Perimeter (cabinets + counter overhang)

- 42" aisle

- 48" for an island with two seats on the end

- 36" aisle (if only pantry cabinets on bottom wall)

- 13" pantry cabinets (cabinets + doors)

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-20.5" almost 2' too shallow

Reduce the island to 27" and only one seat gains you 21" (48" - 27"), enough to have your island. However, a 27"D island isn't very useful and definitely cannot fit a cooktop or range!

Regarding the cooktop + ovens. Have you considered an induction range? Or, eliminate the corner pantry and you may have room to move the cooktop to the perimeter (where it belongs!)

"...just shy of 12' deep..."

How much less? Inches matter!!

Hi I'm posting the general existing layout with the measurements, it is half an inch shy of 12' deep.

The thing about not putting an island leaves too much space in the center of the kitchen in either direction. The current island is super long and narrow - it feels like 2 galley kitchens side by side! It seems best to eliminate any seating from the island if we keep it at all.

All the space in the middle is good :-) That's where the people go. With the island, there really isn't much room for people.

My kitchen is a similar size, and it never, ever crossed my mind to even try and put an island in there. The trick is to put the cooktop where the refrigerator is currently, and get rid of the pantry. Then the sink and the cooktop are a good distance apart.

I agree with putting your fridge where your ovens currently are and a range where your fridge is. Eliminate the pantry and instead use the bottom wall for a large reach in pantry

Are the red pantry measurements the inside of the pantry, not including the interior walls? Or do they include the walls? If they do not, how thick are the pantry walls?

This type of layout is usually better - blank slate with nothing in the way.

Also, do you have a sketch of the entire floor the Kitchen is on? A sketch of the entire floor lets us see how the Kitchen relates to the rest of the home. It doesn't have to be to-scale, but it should accurately show how the rooms relate to each other and should include all interior & exterior doors. In addition, it will help us see how traffic flows in, around, and through the Kitchen. Label the front entry and family entry. The family entry is usually a garage or side entry, but it might not be. It's helpful to know which door you use to bring in groceries.

As I look at the layout, I see more missing key measurements. Could you please provide them?

Hi Buehl, thanks for your follow up questions, here are the measurements you are requesting (love the labeling, keeps it direct and simple). Please bear in mind I am drawing an overlay of correcting the contractor plans using PowerPoint, I don't have CAD, so things are not always drawn to scale. I'm not too concerned with the exact measurements of any particular appliance or even the cabinets as we are going to essentially be gutting the kitchen, but some of these critical dimensions you are requesting is focusing way more on the boundaries of the structure.

A. 6’-2”

B. 4’-3”

C. 3’-7.5”

D. 4’-5.25”

E. 5’-1”

F. 5’-5”

G. 3’-7.5”

H. 11’-6”

I. 9-6”

J. 2’-0” (to face of wall cabinet, oven & handle sticks out a tad from this)

K. 18’-5”

L. 16'-2.5"

Columns are 16” square (1'-4")

I also have a diagram of the original general floor plans of the entire house that I will post, but I don't think it is dimensioned, it's just from their sales flier. Generally we enter / exit through the back utility room, that's where groceries are brought through as well. Here, I've made a "clean slate" floorplan removing all of the things that can be reasonably removed.

I also have a diagram of the original general floor plans of the entire house that I will post, but I don't think it is dimensioned, it's just from their sales flier. Generally we enter / exit through the back utility room, that's where groceries are brought through as well.

Please note we enclosed the bottom right room (which was originally planned as a dining room) and added closets, so it is essentially an office / additional bedroom. We utilize the atrium space on the other side of the kitchen column walls for our dinning table instead.

Thank you for your detailed follow up questions!

@ Maksym Osovik thanks for the tip on the 3D modeler, I'll take a look at that, I really appreciate it!!!

Sorry if I'm not replying correctly to everyone, I'm new on here and haven't quite figured it out yet, but I do appreciate everyone's input and help!

Ok, I'm back! Based on some feedback here, we've generated a plan blowing out the pantry, the island, and moving the appliances around quite a bit; we created an appliance wall and pull out pantry cabinets grouped together along the column wall.

Last couple of images are some AI renderings. We don't have a solid color / material scheme yet, but mainly wanted to verify if the flow of this works well.

The AI images aren't accurately portraying the layout correctly, but helpful for the look and feel. The hood area absolutely needs refinement. Thoughts anyone?

Love this kitchen without the island 😍

Much improved! Though I find the plan with the measurements hard to read. Is the peninsula for seating? If so you need 12" overhang minimum, which doesn't look possible with the door?

Thanks for all of your input on removing the island! It can be scary to deviate from existing, but may as well take the opportunity to improve.

The plan is kind of a mockup just done on the Ikea planner website (guess same as cabinets.com). But yes, we can move the sitting area more into the kitchen and clear the door, and have 12-15" of knee space below. Great points.

We're considering making that peninsula a mobile element, that way we could pull it over closer to the cooktop / microwave temporarily as needed, but mostly have it housed in the location by that door you mentioned.