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Remodel layout help

2 days ago

Hello, just purchased a house and started demolition for redoing kitchen. Found lots of problems and ended up gutting the whole place. It gives me the oppurtunity to change the layout entirely which is awesome but now I'm on a big design deadline crunch and cannot get this space to work. My constraints are: 1) we want the living room on that side of the house for the view there 2) the stairs go down to an exposed basement, L-shape next to master bath, they could go anywhere in the house but where they are now leads to the exposed end of the basement 3) in the future would like to add garage off the mudroom/laundry room, this makes my head hurt due to the roof situation it would cause, might end up with detached or breezeway 4) the master bathroom is a fair amount of space but no matter how I seem to arrange it there's wasted space, we really want a tub and walk in shower, have considered cantilever bay addition for tub but it still makes weird wasted space. I'm pulling my hair out and getting no where, terrible compromises everywhere I look on the layout but maybe I've just been staring at it too long! My wife says I can't burn it down either. Thank you so much for any advice!


Comments (16)

  • 2 days ago

    bump

  • 2 days ago

    I fooled around with the bathroom layout a bit. Currently, your toilet area is squished into a small area, and the shower is pretty small. I enlarged both, as well as your sink area.

    I also moved the primary bedroom closets to give you some visual privacy since your door opens directly into the kitchen. I bumped the one closet into the bathroom as that closet is small. I think this gives you a better space to put the bed.

    Adding a garage off the laundry room will remove the windows on that wall, so I don't think that is a good idea. A separate garage will be better.

    I can't read the size of the island, but you won't be seating 7 as you have drawn. You need a space at least 24" wide and 16" deep for each person. And the 24" is a not generous. As you have drawn it, the corner people would overlap.

    You don't need a front entry closet?


  • 2 days ago

    My main comment is regarding your bedroom. I would split the large window opposite the bedroom door to be sure you have a place to put your bed without putting it under a window. Be sure to add outlets under the windows so you have a spot for nightstands and lamps. Consider an inswing or pocket door into the bathroom to save floor space in the bedroom.

  • 2 days ago

    Believe it or not, existing still matters even with a "gut." And "gut" has levels - can you move windows, what level of plumbing rework (like trenching a basement slab to move the stack) are you game for, etc.

    What is the existing roof structure, trusses or stick framed? Do you have to live here while work progresses? Was it a 3BR you are sacrificing one for more utility function and Master ensuite? You talk of moving the stair, which has opportunity to make it more present in connecting levels, what potential does the basement have (I'd bet you're moving a bedroom down there)?

  • 2 days ago

    3onthetree, you hit the nail on the head. I can an will be moving windows and doors. There isn't any trenching or concrete work to be done, it's all in joist system and all of the plumbing is being re-done. Existing roof structure is 4/12 trusses. We are not living there for a year. It was indeed a 3 bedroom with all the rooms on one side making a long hallway. The basement is walkout on the back so will be putting a family room and bedroom down there, actually keeping the family room and adding a bedroom where there used to be a garage under the house.

  • 2 days ago

    Katinparadise thank you, I hadn't thought that far ahead yet.

  • 2 days ago

    partim, thank you. Some of this is still very much conceptual so yes there are too many stools around the island but wanted to see what it would look like. Front entry closet is right next to the washer and dryer and front door

  • PRO
    yesterday

    We do not know the site, the lot lines, the views.

    Not every question can be crowd sourced on Houzz, and you already demolished a kitchen with NO long term plan.

    Get an architect to the site., What is the the time crunch?

    You're showing a plan, what is the original condition? Not a single interior photo. Not a single exterior photo.............not nearly enough information to advise a single thing.

  • PRO
    yesterday

    MY head hurts too. This is not something you can get fixed here . You have already demolished a space before a plan was in place STOP now and get an architect before the roof caves in . Moving walls needs careful planning ,. From what you describe you should look for another house or rip this one down. We need to see the house as it is right now and some clue as to your budget , how the home oriented on the lot so much missing info. Did you not have a home inspection??? You have year you might be able to do all of what you want if a fairy delivers the architect, kitchen designer and all the trades with a good GC

  • yesterday

    I am the GC. I can't disagree with the comments of needing careful planning but no matter what I do here it's not going to be worse than it was. Originally a 3 bedroom with long hallway. The long term plan is I'm moving in, ready or not, in a year. There's going to be a lot of things I wish I had taken time to figure out but that's why I appreciate comments from the crowd, everyone sees things a little differently. Thank you for your comments

  • yesterday

    If the old layout was typical atomic ranch, IMHO it was much superior to this. There is no place to sit and eat. The living room only has windows on one side. The master bedroom has no privacy.

    All house styles have baked in positives and negatives. This style has a lot of baked in negatives, and the positives are connected to getting a certain amount of privacy for the living room in a closely packed development.

  • yesterday

    I do agree the living room would be better in the left corner however that does mean for a long hallway that took up a lot of space on the bedroom side of the house. Originally the living room was smaller and only had the one window with a big fireplace in the center of the house. Other side of fireplace was a little nook for dining table. I do realize that dining room would be nice but in our current house I find that almost all of the time we have guests we sit around the kitchen island and the dining room sits empty. In a small house I don't want a room that just sits empty, I'd rather use it for a bigger kitchen. What do you mean by positives are getting a certain amount of privacy, are you talking about getting the bedrooms away from the public area? It would be nice if the master bedroom door wasn't a straight shot like that. Thank you so much for your comments!

  • yesterday

    Moving the master bedroom closet will give you more privacy. Have a look at the master bedroom plan that I posted yesterday.

    Architects design homes with hallways for a reason.

    On a paper plan when you remove a hallway you get a larger room. But in real life, when you put the furniture in the room, you realize that you have a larger room with a traffic path through it that is the same size as the hallway. So you have given up the bedroom/bathroom privacy that a hallway gives you, but didn't gain functional space to place furniture.

  • yesterday

    A dedicated formal Dining Room is what has come to be questioned with current American lifestyles. An adequate place to sit has not. A 2-story usable living, 3BR/3BA house is expected to have a place to sit more than a bar-height island. Leave the only-island dining to ADUs and swim up pool bars. A Dining Area can be smaller, multi-functional for breakfast/workspace, that is within the heart of activity adjacent and/or integrated into the Kitchen.

    This is probably where I would move schemes toward based on the limited info I know about the project:



  • yesterday

    So agree ^ a dining room/area can be comfortable, casual and inviting -it does not have to be "formal" if it is furnished thoughtfully


    fwiw a very high end lake house by us sat on the market for almost 2 years because the only place to sit and eat was at a counter - even if resale is not in the immediate future it should still be a consideration for a project of this scope

  • PRO
    yesterday

    How many homes have you been the GC ? I do not think you are ready to do the job but trully you want help we need info and the plan as it sits NOW. There is no way to advise without info as it is IMHO