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Need help centering a new breakfast light.

12 years ago
I've got a lovely coffered ceiling in my breakfast area. But... I don't like the breakfast table centered under the light. I'm changing it out in the next day or two and wondered if I should shift the light with a swag hook. Comments? Other ideas?

Comments (40)

  • 12 years ago
    Maybe a better picture would help. The other is a little dark.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Yes. But ensure you add more lead to retain the same height and not make the light higher.
    User thanked ASVInteriors
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    The intended ceiling is a integral part of the existing architecture. The light needs to be centered in the middle.

    Does the table get in the way of circulation when centered? Can you consider a slightly smaller table and chairs?
    User thanked EML Designs
  • 12 years ago
    I love the breakfast table and chairs and don't want to change them. The breakfast room is rather large but when I center the table, you do have to walk around toward the island or the windows.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I think I would be tempted to raise the light fixture and make it more of a semi-flush mount centered in the coffered ceiling. Then maybe you could add wall sconces on either side of the big window to accent the table.
    User thanked Madden, Slick & Bontempo, Inc
  • 12 years ago
    Do you think that would work with the coffered part being 11ft high. How many lights would I have to have?
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    You do not want to swag that light. It is meant to be in the center.

    Can you take a photo showing how the island relates to table.

    Do you need all the chairs? Can chairs be removed from the right side?

    It seems to me that people on the window side do not have enough room to pull out their chairs.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    PS: have you considered painting the inset of the tray ceiling? It would look spectacular!
  • 12 years ago
    No I haven't thought about it, although the whole ceiling has to be painted eventually. We had a drop range hood installed. Would you use the wall color? There is about 30 inches behind the chairs now. I've attached a couple of pictures of the rest of the kitchen.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I agree with Madden... A chandelier closer to the ceiling (semi flush mount). The light should stay centered. I would suggest moving the table so it's centered and getting benches that slide under the table when not in use, is will give you a little more space to walk around the table.
    User thanked Style My Space Interior Design and Staging
  • 12 years ago
    I really like the idea Madden... but is my breakfast area too traditional for lights that are that contemporary? I had a black wrought iron 5 light chandelier picked out. Trying to pull other elements of the kitchen together. Don't love the drop vent hood, but am hoping it will grow on me.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    s/b 36" btn table and any wall. I am not seeing how table moved to center would cramp space, but you are the one who lives there.

    If a problem, consider removing chairs from island side.

    Would paint inset of ceiling a deep bronze color that is in your granite.
    User thanked CDR Design, LLC
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    30" is slightly tight, most recommend 36". Beautiful kitchen - I love the oak flooring.
    User thanked Madden, Slick & Bontempo, Inc
  • 12 years ago
    Bronze sounds pretty! I'm going to move it out again (center it) and try to live with it for a day or two. Will remove chairs from island side, too. Thanks everyone for the ideas.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    There are so many beautiful light fixtures available. If you stayed with an dark finish like oil rubbed bronze or black, that would make it more traditional. But it's a good idea to explore all your options. Good luck!
    User thanked Madden, Slick & Bontempo, Inc
  • 12 years ago
    It would drive me crazy if the ceiling fixture was moved off center from the ceiling. And, it's perfectly centered with the wall (clock) between the doors. If the table was centered, there would be room to walk around from the window side.
    User thanked Darzy
  • 12 years ago
    It seems that whoever designed that beautiful kitchen overlooked the fact that a table would want to be centered under the tray (not coffered) ceiling. It is a very common problem. Please do not swag you light; that only draws attention to your dilemma. There appears to be enough room to walk between the table set and the island, even moving the table so it is centered. Is it really difficult to pass through in there? Your only easy solution may be to have a fixture that is no lower than the where the tray meets the rest of the ceiling, "the rim". That way there is no obvious line drawing your eye down to the table.
    User thanked sunnydrew
  • 12 years ago
    I think an oil rubbed bronze finish would complement your furnishings and traditional look desire.
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    User thanked Darzy
  • 12 years ago
    I am concerned that I wouldn't like the off centering of the fixture. I agree that it was a builder error, (that I now have to live with or rectify). But since I'm not changing where the light is mounted, the swag part could be easily corrected later. I'm going to center again and live with it a day or two before I install another or make any change. I like the idea of semi-flush mount. Am going to try to find one that I think will look good there.
  • 12 years ago
    Darzy, the one I have picked out is very similar to your 1st picture. Only with 5 lights. And yes, I am finding more and more that I lean toward very traditional. Must be my age! :) I just retired this year and this is our retirement home.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Good idea to move and live with it.
    User thanked CDR Design, LLC
  • 12 years ago
    I think a swag would look more awkward than having the table off centered from the light. Just raise the light so you don't bump your head or put a different type of fixture as suggested by others above and maybe add additional light to the sitting area with wall sconces.
    User thanked cynamonc
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Your best option is to put (4) can lights in the Ceiling and sconces on either side of the window for the decorative lighting touch. A less costly solution is to use a ceiling mounted fixture, finished the same as your drawer pull hardware. Maybe then use a couple tall center pieces on your table to keep your eye on the table and not on the ceiling. Nice home.
    User thanked Jen Bua-Spoletini/House Hunter/ Design Consultant
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Sample ceiling light fixture
    User thanked Jen Bua-Spoletini/House Hunter/ Design Consultant
  • 12 years ago
    I agree with Darcy, centre the table. You have a beautiful kitchen and nook and having the table off centre does not look right. From the picture there seems plenty of walking room.
    User thanked nancyann0277a
  • 12 years ago
    How about taking the fixture out completely and replace with recessed lights? Then put some sconces on the wall and matching pendants over the kitchen island. Attached are photos of kitchens with eat-in areas that do not have a chandelier over the table and they look great. The recessed light paired with new wall sconces and pendants over the island would provide plenty of lighting for your eating area. Painting the ceiling would also look amazing.
    Williams Residence · More Info

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    O'Cook Residence-Phoenix Biltmore Area · More Info
    User thanked cynamonc
  • 12 years ago
    All those are pretty rooms, and they look good without a light. So worse case is I can just remove the light and put a can light in. I have someone coming this week to put in a couple of canned lights.
  • 12 years ago
    Kitchen wall sconce photos.
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    User thanked cynamonc
  • 12 years ago
    I believe I have almost convinced myself to leave the table/chairs centered. I moved them, and am liking it better each time I walk thru the room. I will post another picture of it centered later. Have errands to run...
  • 12 years ago
    I do love the sconces! They are pretty regardless of what I do with my light. :)
  • 12 years ago
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    I would keep the light as is in the center and center the table under the light.

    I think if you got a dining bench seat instead of the chairs that can tuck under the table on your island side it may give more room.

    Beautiful kitchen!
    User thanked mmilos
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Another semi-flush option. Could look nice with the Mill Valley Classic Cottage sconces cynamonc posted above.
    Kichler 42442 22 Inch Semi Flush Mount · More Info
    User thanked Madden, Slick & Bontempo, Inc
  • 12 years ago
    spotlights over a kitchen table, to me, aren't as cozy or home-like for a family eating area, as if you did either the semi-flush mount or a drop chandelier in the center of the tray ceiling. Also she can't put pendants over the island since the hood is now installed.

    I like the intimacy and focus on the table with a drop down chandelier, now that it will be centered. I would do two other things to add to this, to make this area shine.... I would put warm light wall sconces on either side of the table, as suggested, and I would use strips of warm LED lights along the edge of the tray ceiling directed upward illuminating that architectural element. They only thing you have to figure out is a cover piece that will go around the edge of the tray ceiling and hold the LEDs that will direct the light upward.

    Maybe someone can suggest something you can add around the edge of the ceiling that would give you a "cove" edge to add these LEDs....
    User thanked elynch1
  • 12 years ago
    another maybe easier solution is to get a drop down chandelier that has up/down (direct/indirect) lighting. That way there is a light directed up to the tray ceiling and down to focus on the table
    User thanked elynch1
  • 12 years ago
    It is interesting that one of the pix above shows a runner in front of the range. Maybe you could try putting one down in your "walkway" passing the table. That way you will feel as though you are in the right place, if you know what I mean. Just an idea.
    User thanked sunnydrew
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I would center the table and chairs under the light... I would also consider a couple of upholstered chairs on the ends of the table...
    User thanked Sustainable Dwellings
  • 12 years ago
    I've lived with the table centered under the light for two days. My husband and I both agree that it looks best there. Plenty of room on both sides. Yesterday he hung a new black iron chandelier for me. The other chandelier was really not my style and felt very heavy. I think it helps to have a smaller chandelier. Project complete (except for artwork to replace clock). I think it turned out great!
  • 12 years ago
    Sconces and maybe a rug will be another project....I'm tired of remodelers in the house. If I can't do it then it won't get done for a while! Thanks everyone for all the wonderful help!
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Angie, it looks fantastic!
    User thanked CDR Design, LLC
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