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Help with backyard design

17 years ago

We are in the process of planning the next phase of our outdoor living space in the backyard. We have already put up a large 2-level deck and in hindsight realize that we should have really had a master plan for the backyard before putting the deck up.

Since we won't be tearing the deck down, we are now trying to coordinate the remainder of the yard with the existing deck so it works for our lifestyle and future plans. Some ideas we have come up with are as follows. I am wondering a) which options might be better in the long run b) should I hire a landscape designer/architect to come up with some plans for us and c) what might something like that cost

Needs:

Patio outside of walkout-probably going to install travertine pavers, would like to have a rounded area for a fire pit (not built-ub), an area for seating, and possibly and area for a hot tub.

Some covered space outdoors that we could use to extend the season of our outdoor living-we love to be outside and would like to spend cooler evenings outside in a space that is covered and possibly with some patio heaters.

We love to entertain and have large gatherings so would like a decent size space on both the deck area and/or patio area. Patio will probably be used more once basement is finished which won't be until at least next year

Our plan is to do as much of this DIY as possible as we both enjoy working together on these projects. We will most likely need to do this in stages as doing them all at once is not financially or time-wise possible

Some possible ideas we have come up with are as follows:

put in a large (~500-600 sq feet) free-form travertine paver patio at the exit to the walkout. Place hot tub to the right of the door (when facing the house) and a area for a fire pit. Build staircase from deck to descend onto the patio. Build a retaining wall to hide and retain the dirt that is under the deck.

modification 1: Dig out the space under the deck and extend paver patio under the deck. Waterproof underside of decking. Cut into concrete a second set of french doors. We would have about 8-9 feet of headroom under the deck if we did this. Big question is where to place a hot tub since putting it where it is will block most of the access to the underdeck room.

modification 2: Extend the deck out about 16 feet and build a roof over top with a built-in fireplace at the end. Place stairs coming off of that portion of the deck. This is a mostly unused portion of the yard because of the slope. We would then make the patio below much smaller and simply have a small area for seating and relaxing. No underdeck room.

modification 3: where the deck is currently missing a railing is the original plan for the steps. If we decide to do the underdeck room we have a problem with where to put a hot tub. Considering building a third deck coming off the side where the stairs are to go and placing the hot tub there and then have the stairs descend from this deck. My concern is that the hot tub is quite a distance from the house if we want to use it in the winter.

I would appreciate any thoughts and feedback that anyone might have no our project. It may be something I need a professional designer to help me with but I am not quite sure where to start with finding a good one. I don't want to pay several hundred to thousands of dollars if I don't have to but at the same time really want to have our backyard function to the fullest. I am open to any other ideas that I may not have even thought of and maybe this is where a LA could really be helpful.

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Kristen

Comments (8)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Just realized I forgot to post pics so I will include them below.

    Here is a link that might be useful: House pics

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    That's apparently a bad link (the "h" of the "http" is missing).

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hopefully this link will work

    Here is a link that might be useful: House pics

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would put stairs leading down from the deck towards where you have the doors on the corner and a small patio for sitting in front of those doorshalf way down I would have a landing and cut a small patio into the hillside to house your hot tub. Then it would be accessable from the patio or deck.

    You could build a pergola over the hot tub and plant vines to climb up the pergola. This would involve a small retaining wall. Then I would have plantings going off from the hot tub patio around the deck, with tall shrubs in back to hide most of the underside of the deck.

    I think digging under the deck to provide a room might involve structural problems

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    It seems like you will need some on-site professional advice. I'm no where near that, so can just add some reactions. Your home appears large and a large financial investment, so you want to keep things appropriate for the setting and not tacked on here and there.

    The low level by the basement is not very easy to "connect" well with the high deck so as to have the 2 spaces function really well together. The other side yard that is a higher elevation seems the most natural area for spillover from a large gathering and I would be tempted to develop that space preferentially, even if it requires some privacy screening from the front view of the property. However, if the basement room--whatever you will be making that in to--is a key action zone that will be highly related to outdoor activities, then maybe you do want to develop that walkout area more.

    A hot tub under that deck doesn't seem very appealing.

    So, to come up with the best design, you may need to flesh out your activities and traffic flow a bit more to see what is most rational from that standpoint and then factor in the $$ cost of various solutions. Also prioritize--you are trying to do this--decide if pleasant seating out of the rain is most impt, or heating in cool but clear weather, or being in hot tub, etc.

    I'm not sure you can build a fireplace on the deck proper, if that's what you meant.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You're lucky to have such a beautiful setting and such a plenitude of possible locations for entertaining and recreating.

    Some ideas:

    Consider painting the concrete foundation to match the red of the brickwork.

    If the deck faces south or west, you might want to plant a couple of shade trees. It'll be a few years until you get much benefit, but when that time comes, you'll be glad of the shade. (And do price larger trees to see if it's worth your while to save a few years of waiting.)

    Another option for using the area under the deck is as a storage space -- a bit more difficult to retrofit than if you'd planned it from the beginning, but probably still possible. I have some under-deck storage (I use it for firewood); the previous owner kept his riding lawnmower there. At one point I was considering walling it in with lattice; your layout lends itself to better-looking possibilities than I have figured out for my situation....

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Consult a professional landscape designer.
    Your back yard is severly sloped and you have that giant concrete on the side of the house.
    There are going to be grading and drainage issues that a pro will need to know when they come out to your yard and inspect it.
    You have a beautiful home. You really should have a pro make your outdoor living space as beautiful.
    Good Luck! and post a pic of the finished product!

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I thank you all for your input. I think we are going to be best serve by spending a few hundred dollars and having a local professional come and see the site and give us input and design ideas.

    Kristen

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