If all of this is true, the detective shouldn't have any trouble at all finding the record of the minutes-previous necessity for a sheriff's assist to the other woman, and probably earlier records leading to the necessity for that escort. What a terrible position to put your family in, though! Ya know, I am very much against the way people sue each other for every little thing these days, but ER visits are expensive, insurance or no. I think even if you don't get a cent out of her, I would be having a very serious chat with this "friend of a friend" about the potentially life-threatening position she put your family in, and the financial impact because of your generosity and helpful spirit. Sounds like there's much, much more to the story.

Susan

Holy cow ! What a story ! So sorry this happened to your DH and daughters . How traumatic for the entire family . What on earth possesses people to act this way ? There must be a lot more to this than meets the eye .Hope you find resolution and justice .

At the very worst it sounds like your family was set-up for this attack. At the very best it sounds like being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Walking into the middle of some type of feud and your family being taken for mistaken identity. I would not let this rest. Assault and battery is not to be taken lightly. Please press on and prosecute if possible. I hope no long term harm comes to your husband, health wise. If so legal action would certainly be a possibility. Contact an attorney immediately.

Saying they felt threatened isn't a justifiable defense for striking or pushing your family. They could have said "No, you can't load any horses, go away." and called the sheriff yet again in the unlikely event that your husband refused to leave. If you don't hear back from the detective or if he won't return your calls, you could try going directly to the prosecuting attorney's office to light a fire under him.

oh my goodness, I would be so angry! I can certainly understand your being very upset. Your children and your poor husband. I would not let this go. I would definitly pester the prosecuting attourney's office till you are satisfied. There was no call for such behavior. I wonder how the original lady asking for help could let you fall into this with no knowledge of what is going on. These attackers need to be hit where it hurts in the pocket book. Let them pay for the medical bills + pain and suffering. I might be of a mind to include the original older lady in a suit, for involving you in somethig with out telling you the whole story more or less leading you into a trap. I wonder if the original lady owes money to the others?

As a victam 'time is your enemy' get all the vitals, written down and law enforcement of some kind motivated......too resolve 'what happened" jezz guess that reaffirms what i say alot "no good deed, goes unpunished" :)

Obviously something happened with the lady and them before your family got there and they thought she left to bring reinforcement or something. I would be very angry at all of them and everyone would be liable. Get all your dates, times, conversations, and facts together and see an attorney. Sounds like the police are having a hard time understanding who is at fault or they think it's a personal dispute and your family is a part of it. Good luck...

Usually a lurker here but... I have had a similar situation in that I put a horse in training and then the trainer would not return him as she had people interested in buying him and was wanting to talk me into it. The sherriff said I could not get him back unless she agreed as posession was 9/10 of the law and I would have to take her to small claims court to get him back. Registration papers had nothign to do with it, they would not look at them, only brands would be considered and he had none. I am only trying to possibly explain the sherriff's actions, they usually call it a civil matter and say the courts have to work it out. Thier role is simply to make sure no one attacks anyone like happened and no one trespasses. I absolutley would press charges against the attackers, no matter what. Even if they have some greiviance with the other lady, who it sounds like she conveniently left out information hoping there would be a intimadation factor in your numbers showing up, they had no right to attack anyone unprovoked. I am sure there is a whole lot to the story and likely the two have two very differnt stories of who is right or wrong but that is a seperate issue from them attacking your husband and children. People like that need to be held responsible for their actions no matter what, in my humble opinion.

Best of luck and I hope your family recovers well! So sorry that happened!

Takes all kinds to make a world, dosent it!Sounds as if your husband and kids were innocent victims to a fued.I wouldnt let it pass either.
Jnine, almost same thing happened to me--i had my arab stud out for training, we dropped by to see how he was doing, and the lady doing the training was gone for the day--BUT- several people were there who came by to see the arabian she was promising to use for stud!!needless to say, he was loaded into a trailer and was gone by the time she returned home that night--and she never even called me to ask why!!

ceresone, Funny mine was my stallion too! She was selling him to some people looking for a stallion to promote and I later found out she was selling him for a huge sum. I got him back, but it took two days for her to give me permission to get him, and I honeslty believe the only thing that saved me is the people were not interested in a stallion with no registration papers! Of course she gave me a trumped up bill, $100 for clipping, $100 for mane pulling....ended up paying $500 more than the training bill but that was the least of my worries, I wanted my boy home! The story quickly spread around the horse world and she did herself more than the $500 damage for sure. Believe me I had all kinds of thoughts of slipping in, in the middle of the night and grabbing him, but I waited for the pressure of friends in the industry to her know it would be best to give me back my horse.

My darling boy is 27 this year and I feel confident he gets way better treatment with me than anyone who would have wanted him solely for his ability to produce offspring and make them money.

Are you considering pressing charges against any person who attacked your family? The reason I ask that question is that I grew up with a father who was born in 1898 and a mother who was born in 1912. They were good Christian people and did not believe that Christians should sue. But the world changes and I'm glad they're not around to see how things have changed.

About five years ago we had someone attack our family. The police came to our home to interview us and for some reason that I can't remember they felt there was nothing they could do. After they left one of the detectives who was alone and in his own car came back and told us that there really was something we could do about it and that we should hire a lawyer no later than noon the next day. It was hard on us, but the court did rule in our favor.

Please consider pressing charges. This was just so wrong.

I really don't understand why someone didn't go to jail. Here, an assault that has occurred and there is visible damage, someone is ALWAYS going to jail. It doesn't depend on the victim filing charges. I booked lots of people over the years in just such circumstances.

Harry K

update. No news today yet from the detective. but the women we were trying to help, said that she is going to have to go to court to get her four mares, this crazy lady wants to keep the two foals she was promised and also one of the registered horses as part of her breeding fee (The horse has Secratariat, (spelling?) in its bloodlines, and also that the crazy lady has moved the mares to her sisters pasture.
My kids are doing fine, and my hubby is still sore, but I am going to pursue it as far as at least getting her thrown in jail, even for a night. What ever she thought my family was doing, she should never have attacked my children, or hubby. She could have been as mad as she wanted but all she had to do was tell them this other women wasn't there and for them to leave her property.
I don't know if she thought my family was actually there to take the horses, but they didn't even go in a truck they were in my little sedan.

Wow, what a terrible experience. No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.

My husband is from the Bronx, and always approaches these types of requests for help with a very suspicious attitude. In the past I've thought he was being selfish by refusing to lend people a hand, but after hearing this story I'm thinking he's right!

I'm sorry about your expeience. SOmetimes these things just aren't worth the sherrif's time it seems, so they go unpunished.

Too bad they feel the stallion is such a hot shot and worth the foals and the mare. I hope they don't get their way. As a side note: Secretariat sired thousands of babies...it's not that big of a deal to have him in the pedigree (I have on in my pasture too...he would have been on a meat truck if we didn't get him). Secretariat on a sires side is even less exciting, as his colts are not known for producing anything with any speed. It was Secretariats *fillies* that are known for producing successful babies, and that is only in the race world.

BasilMom exactly. you are so right. can you confirm that all horse's came from 5 in Iraland orginally ? i just know a few people that mess with the things :) and got the condencened course :( >>>>basicaly takes a hundred years to get end results and it's not the 'sire' that makes the horse but the mare>>>that teaches it ?

So sorry to hear about the experience your family went through.
What bothers me the most about the situation is that there were children physically abused at the hands of adults. And the sheriff doesn't know if charges will be pressed?
A confusing situation between adults may be one thing, but come on kids were hurt.
Something is very wrong there.

Tracy, that's so interesting. Knowing NOTHIN' about horses other than recognizing the name "Secretariat", I feel like I've learned something pretty neat this day!

Ha! And I bet cha' $10 dh doesn't know that...about the speed being passed down by his fillies, not his colts. Is that correct? That's how I understood your post. Correct me quick if I'm wrong, 'cause I can promise you I'll be using that info first thing in the morning!!! ;)

Suzie

I hate to hijack the thread, but yes, Suzie - in Secrateriats lines, his fillies' offspring have speed, but his colts have not proved themselves. Does that make sense? This may or may not be unique to his line - but statistically, that is correct. In the race world, statistics men an awful lot!

should read: "mean" an awful lot!

i'm not sure how it works in other states but here in illinois, this would be the progression of things...

at the time of the incident (or as soon as possible after), the authorities are called.

the police arrive, take statements, document injuries either in writing or on film. if the injuries are serious enough to warrant the attention of a doctor or e.r., that, too, is documented.

police will subesquently put everything in a "report", written in as much detail as possible.

the reports are then turned over to the state's attorney (or district attorney, as the case may be). the state's attorney will review the reports then contact the victim to interview him/her/them to see if the incident warrants having criminal charges filed. if he/she feels that there is enough evidence for a prosecution, it will be that office that will pursue it.

it's not always like it is on t.v. where the offender is hauled away kicking and screaming in handcuffs. more often than not, an arrest isn't even made. if charges are filed, a summons will be issued with a copy of the criminal complaint attached and the whole bundle will be served to the offender.

the wheels of justice can move ever so slowly when these sorts of things occur. in a way that's bad, in another way it can be good. so many times i have seen people accused of something-or-other only to find out that there's a personal vendetta going on behind the scenes. can you imagine if everybody was jailed and/or prosecuted just because tempers flared?

having said that ^, i am in no way minimizing what happened to your family. i believe it warrants the attention of your prosecuting attorney. however, don't get your hopes up that it will happen overnight. if this woman has enough money to hire a high powered attorney, it could be weeks or even months before a final disposition.

it is highly unlikely that you will have any say whatsoever if this woman spends even one night in jail. that's something else that can be terribly misconstrued from t.v. cops and robbers shows. just because one person "wants" another person "thrown in jail", it won't happen. there has to be a better reason for it and even though YOUR reasons are sound, you are not the person who will dictate jail time.

i don't mean to sound like a know-it-all but i've been in the business of criminal law for 30+ years. i have seen it all, and then some! hope your family is doing better! nina:)

Secretariat inherited an unusually large heart and the attendant increase in cardiac capacity from his mother, Somethingroyal. Secretariat passed along the genes for the larger heart to his fillies but not to his colts. He got some fillies with a turn for speed but what Secretariat fillies are most noted for is as producers.

This kind of problem happens from time to time around here. For us, it's usually a client that has not paid their bill in a long time and then sends a van to get their horses, and we're not supposed to let them go. It's a shame that this happened to your husband and kids. It'd be one thing if the people had told them they can't have the horses, and they should leave, but to assault them! Sheesh. My friend went to pick up a yearling she had been "given" as a "bonus" and when she got there, the sheriff was waiting for her--ends up that the horse wasn't hers after all because the guy who gave it to her wasn't even the horse's owner. These things can get so out of hand.

Giventake--all Thoroughbreds can be traced back to one of three sires, The Darley Arabian The Godolphin Arabian, and The Byerly Turk. These horses were imported from the Middle East in the late 1600's/early 1700's and were bred to English mares to create a mix of speed and stamina. Actually, a lot of horses were imported from the Middle East to England, but when the General Stud Book was created, it used these 3 sires as its foundation sires. For more info, check out the link.

Here is a link that might be useful: Some TB history

A lot is unknown here. A stranger calls you for help at the suggestion of a friend. Hubby and daughters head over to lend a hand and are accosted, assualted, and battered. Your only concern should be the assault. Giving the woman who asked for help a good dressing down would not be out of line.