Did you notice if the scions died sometime after you planted the trees? Don't guess you would remember what the grafts looked like back when you planted the trees.

No the scions where healthy and the trees have grown steadily for the last two years

Cowboy:

What was the nursery source for your trees? If you tell us, someone may recognize it and comment on its reliability.

Sounds like a pretty clear case of mislabeling to me, based on what you have told us so far.

Both Shinko and 20th Century (Nijiseiki) are Asian pears with the classic round, not pyriform shape.

Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA

"What Went Wrong?" Well someone sold you miss-labeled trees.

Either their supplier miss-labeled them and they had no idea or they miss-labeled them and had no idea. This could have been done by mistake or more likely on purpose. After all the warranty period expires long after you would find out what happened.

Some nurseries are well known for re-labeling trees to whatever the buyer wants. Always check Dave's Garden Watchdog and read the reviews for any nursery you are thinking of buying from before you make a purchase. If a nursery has been around for a long time or has a big internet presence and is not on the list don't buy from them. Some large nurseries have sued to have their names removed from the list because of all their legitimate negative feedback.

This is the only problem I have had with their trees, they are a wholesaler and only sell to nurseries and farms for orchards and the like. all of the other trees I have gotten from them are spot on like the fuyu persimmons and Housi Asian pear. wont know about the apples and the seckel and orient pears for a year or so now. but just now need to identify the trees so I can sell as its true variability. the tree has a small rounded leaf not a long leaf like most pears I have. and the pear is squat and not smooth with russeting.

Cowboy:

You are still not naming the source of your trees, which is really the most important issue here. Is there a reason why this information has to be kept secret? We don't care whether they are a wholesaler, or who they sell to. We just want to know who they are.

If you have doubts about the shape of the leaves or other problems of identification, don't you think it would be better to ask the people who sold you the trees rather than people all over the country who know nothing about them?

Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA

wholesalers who sell bare root stock only operate from November to January or February this is the only time they man their phones full time I have left a message for a return call but this is the season when they are working in the fields to grow stock. S&W is the company I buy from. I guess what I am trying to do is identify the trees so I know what to do with them, let them grow or apply the saw. I am sure they will help when I reach them but thought I would pick some brains in the time being. They are a reputable dealer, but they also by stock from their suppliers, so anything could have happened. just hoping to put a name on these things to try and figure out my choices.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30780758&id=1256355632&ref=fbx_album
a picture of the said pears

If and when you find out what kind of pear that is please post it.
I have a tree just like it in my orchard, it was here when I bought the place in 1986.
Its a great tasting pear too.

What size pears are they when they mature are they small med or large fruit what time of year do they ripen, etc. these are still small and it is august. what is the texture and flavor of yours like.
Thanks

Agi Agent says they are Seckel

I do envy you cowboy. I know it's not what you wanted, but Seckels are great little pears and I only wish I could grow one here!

Ok pears never got over 2" around and 3" tall had a fruity taste to them a very tropical taste. so if they are shekel I really don't like the taste, and the texture is very buttery smooth textured.

Seckel is known for its smooth flesh and smallish size. Did they develop any red blush at all?

No I did not they went from green to yellow and that kind of concerns me with ag agents conclusion that it was shekel along with the extremely fruity taste a tart sweet combination almost tropical like. but I have 19 of them so hope I can nail it down

Seckels are small, but I certainly would not call them ugly. They have a nice shape and a pretty burgundy color blush. Texture will be buttery, but I wouldn't call the flavor tropical.

Mine are sweet, and nothing tart about them. They taste like pears, with the pear flavor more concentrated.

I know fruit is different under different growing conditions, but Seckel is fairly early for me, long gone by November.

I think these had a touch of cedar rust, but they were small with no red blush at all just turned yellow about august.