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Three Choices, Which Mower?

19 years ago

My 5-yr-old MTD B&S 6.25 3-in-1 has a bent driveshaft/crankshaft. Repair estimate is $160+; I've been told parts only are $130. Handle vibrates pretty fiercely and the mower is LOUD. Also, engine has run rich the past year even though I've taken the carb apart, replaced an o-ring or two and gave it a good Gumout...in addition to fairly regular oil changes, new plug, blade, air filter, fresh gas, etc. Due to repair cost of the crankshaft (and other bad things they may find up there), I think it best to go new.

I need a mower that has decent power to chew up copious leaves (mulching and bagging) and grass on a fairly easy (slight hill but no biggie) lawn. Mowing takes me about 90 minutes each week with my MTD pusher.

I've basically got my choices narrowed down; self-propelled is NOT real important, call me crazy but lawn mowing beats running for fighting off the beer belly; I'm also concerned that s-p is perhaps just something else to break (or are they good these days?), but at the ~$200-300 price, s-p becomes an option. Maybe even an attractive one if the quality is there. So all things considered, which mower would you get and why?

1. 3-in-1 with a Honda GCV engine:

Either on a Troy-Bilt (MTD) hi-wheel push at Lowe's for $239 or an MTD or Craftsman (MTD) for maybe $30 less. These models carry a 2-yr wty but I think you have to add a mulching blade to get true mulch capability. Honda mowers said to run not as loudly / less vibration than others.

2. Honda branded 3-in-1 GCV push mower:

$400 retail. Honda engine and deck. Advantages here appear to be a more comfortable handle and rumored "superior" mulching capability, I'm a Honda fan (own their cars) but I try to stay objective.

3. Toro Recycler Series:

$279 or so: I'm confused here as there are so many models with similar specs and price. The 20005 (Tecumseh), 20017, 20071 all appear to be the same mower albeit most have Toro (or B&S???) engines. Which one would you get? All appear to be front wheel drive Personal Pace models. Handle also looks fairly comfortable on these.

My understanding is it's easy to turn and go backwards on these Toros by disengaging the S-P mechanism. Can anyone confirm this or not? I don't want to worry about chewing up belts/gears too soon. With TLC, how long will the S-P mechanism and these engines last? I hear good things about the Toros -- good mulching, bag on-bag off easy, etc. One Toro dealer said not to expect much from the Recyclers vs. SuperRecyclers regarding longevity. Don't know whether he's full of it or not.

Also, Toro is doing a promo on Recyclers right now that gives a 3-yr wty instead of 2. Super Recyclers carry a 5-yr wty but start at around $440 with bag.

Can the Toro go under my power without use of self-propel, or will the wheels lock up? If it breaks, or if I just want a good workout, I want to know.

So which mower would you get out of these? I'd like to stay

Comments (10)

  • 19 years ago

    Most S-P mowers can still be pushed if the SP breaks.

    Stay away from Troy(Toy)-Bilt, it's just another MTD. Craftsmans are a bit better somply because theyre not made by MTD.

    IF you want a good mower look at the higher-end Lawnboys, Toro's, Honda,s and Snappers. If you want a very durable SP mechanism and great overall performance the Snapper is tough to beat.

  • 19 years ago

    A few things: Toro Personal PAce are great in every way. The Super Recyclers are better built and will give you a best quality of cut if you have a lush , thick lawn. The PP models are not front wheel drive however. Keep the wheel clutches lubed and they handle well- which by the way is easier on a SR.
    You can't go wrong with a Honda mower. People love them too.
    High wheels are not always what people believe they will be. They may end up just being a more difficult machine to use rather than a helpful feature. Many times they require much more effort to manuver and also have componants that start to bend as time goes on and the wheels bow inwards.

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks for the tips, guys. I should mention that I went to HD today and got a look at the LawnBoy 10685 which I'm now reading up on here. Throwing that into the mix as well.

  • 19 years ago

    Pacer:

    One more very important thing.

    QUIT SCALPING YOUR LAWN!

    Set your mowing height at least 3" high and you are less likely to bend the crankshaft on your new mower.

    One of the nicest things about the 21" self-propelled Snappers is the rolled under deck that makes it harder to jam the blade into something that will bend the crankshaft.

    Fairyprincess

  • 19 years ago

    I've never been a fan of the FWD units. I've used my neighbor's and read reviews with the same result. When the bag gets full, the front tires (which provide the traction), lift slightly (or more) and you lose that help.

    RWD units, the filled bags actually help create traction on the rear tires.

    Of course my other neighbor threw out his Craftsman FWD mower, which I saved from the dump. He said it wasn't working right, but I managed to get it turned over. SOOOOOO I can't complain now about FWD. a $300-350 mower for free. woo

  • 19 years ago

    Lawn-Boy 10685. $329 at Lowes.

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks again, all. After some heavy reading, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna grab the 10685. As someone said, this is the Caddy/Lexus of the mower world in many respects. I'm a Honda fan, but after viewing that straight Honda mower at HD, I like the LB controls better. That thumb-control thing just does not look comfortable / ergonomic at all.

    The only one left to look at is a Husqy-Honda combo at Sears, $359, rwd. I'm still thinking the LB will win this competition, but looking is half the fun so I'm gonna check it out. Didn't hurt that my HD guy said the 10685 might get marked down some more this week...cool. Maybe I'll just go in and make an offer. I've heard they will deal on closeouts.

    Fairyprincess, thanks for the advice, but I never scalp my lawn. As I mentioned, I'm (or else my gf is) fond of scalping the sewer grate in my front yard. Well, somebody hit it! Ha. This will be avoided in the future!

  • 19 years ago

    Id say if Murray was still building mowers to buy one of those - my pop still has his old Murray he bot years ago, and still runs good too. Id definitly go with something that has a Briggs engine tho.
    Kidd

  • 19 years ago

    Pacer,

    Since you are looking at the Husqy-Honda combo at Sears for $359. You might also look at the Husqu-Briggs. It is the same mower I believe, and it is $339. You save some $$ and get the B&S Intek OHV 8.75 torque engine. Husqy at Sears is a nice choice. Either the Honda or Briggs. You get the padded handle, ball baring front wheels, lower the deck with one handle. Pop. Machanics and ConsumerRpts both like the Husqvarna mowers.

  • 19 years ago

    I HAVE HAD A TORO SUPER RECYCLER FOR 4 YEARS - NEVER A PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSMISSION LIKE THE HONDA. I SUGGEST GETTING THE BEST TORO YOU CAN - THE SELF PROPELL WORKS A LOT BETTER THAN 3 SPEED OR CRUISE CONTROL!

    GOOD LUCK!