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Pear Report, Southeastern NY

14 years ago

Two days of steady rain has me in front of my computer overly involved with my favorite forum. If I can't be with my fruit trees I may as well write about them.

Dry hot weather really brought out the best in pear quality this season starting with the Asians. I sampled the first truly sugar sweet 20th Centuries I've grown here without being against a south wall. If I lived in the rainless west I might still be a big fan of Asian pears.

All Asian varieties I grow were outstanding this season whereas in the past only Korean Giant filled the bill in terms of brix. I should say all pears were outstanding not riddled with stink bug and CM damage. On my property such damage was at unacceptable levels while the Euros were great. Other sites had much cleaner fruit (thank goodness).

But I find Asian pears extremely boring- sugar water with texture and a bit of butterscotch. I'm not putting down the fans of this fruit as I used to be one, just stating my present opinion. I will focus on the Euros I grow in this post.

Highland: This one is still a disappointment to me as even on this summer of clear warm days it didn't get adequate sugar. The other day I picked up one off the ground that was huge, firm ripe, and been grown in absolute full sun. I picked up a Bosc pear in similar condition off the ground a few feet away and the Bosc was easily the superior pear for one reason- it was plenty sweet while the sugar of the highland was faint. I've found the same from my properly aged Highlands. Wonderful juicy, melting texture but inadequate sugar.

Seckel: Even better than usual this year with extra sugar from a pear always plenty sweet. Great texture as well and can be eaten crisp or luscious. Well worth taking the time to thin for some exceptional pears. You can wait until some pears begin to drop to harvest, which takes the guess work out of picking time.

Aurora: Best year yet for this beautiful pear. Bronze like a Bosc but fatter and more completely russeted. More a luscious type in texture than the grainier Bosc. A bit early for me though.

Bosc: It's a really nice pear and well worth growing until certain pests arrive. Here those include fireblight (it is my most susceptible variety by far), scab and psyla. On many sites it defoliates early due to pest pressure when other varieties are still healthy- on other sites it's fine.

Bartlett: One of the most reliable and easiest to grow pears although it doesn't excite me. I ate one pear off the ground that was totally amazing from one tree this season but sampled others just as ripe that were nothing special. I'm going to keep an eye on that tree and see if one branch isn't producing superior fruit because the really good one was slightly russeted while others I sampled were smooth. Hope I've got a sport!

Harrow Sweet: Only got a few pears off a small tree for the second season and I'm very impressed. It's relatively late and really gets up the sugar- or has the last 2 seasons of opposite weather. Very good size as well. Bartlett type, but sweeter. I'll be grafting pieces onto my Boscs in my nursery as insurance as it's supposed to be FB resistant. It is also resistant to psyla and other pear problems. I wish ACN sold it- got mine from Hilltop.

Sheldon: Similar to Highland and one worth growing. Got it from Cummins

Delicious: Not as delicious as Sheldon or Highland but similar.

Duchess: Good Bartlett type and very easy to grow but too early to interest me.

Atlantic Queen: See Highland, but earlier.

OK, not comparable to Scott's peach list, but maybe others can add some varieties to what I've started as well as reporting on their experiences that absolutely contradict mine with the varieties I've mentioned.

Comments (14)

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I forgot to mention Tyson, which had good flavor at a time when I've very little interest in pears. You need to pick this one before it gets over ripe which happens quickly in the heat of early August here.

  • 14 years ago
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    Bella de Guigno-moderate growth so maybe a taste next season

    Hamese- too young to crop but vigorous growing

    Shinseiki- this is a mid August ripening pear. Always reliable, juicy sweet and refreshing. My favorite pear.

    Green Jade- aka 'Crisp-n-sweet' from Gurneys. This Pear came from Perdue U. and in its first bearing season I like it a lot. The pears are all huge size, shaped like Euro but eat like an asian. The flesh is pure white, thin skinned, with a asian texture and part euro taste. Whats more is that I let some ripen on the counter and they soften buttery into a euro pear. Everyone should grow one of these. Good fireblight resistance in the patent report

    Flemish Beauty-this tree hasn't set fruit in a few years. The trunk is like five inches in diameter. I grafted in 20 varieties so there should be no excuse next season.

    Bartlett- there was a big dent in many pears, don't know yet what it is. They are in the basement fridge till later. My apples are extraordinary this season. There is a second bloom and little pears that get froze out but are they pollinated. I'll check out the seeds in a month.

    Atlantic Queen- still waiting on a crop

    Ambrosia- I had a few of these when the tree was smaller. I think this may be the best euro pear but I'll wait for a good crop to tell for sure. Nice Russet color and very fine taste.

    Olympic- I overcropped and the sugar and size were down but still good eating for the winter. Y Jackets mined many.

    Comice- first crop and they are still in the fridge.

  • 14 years ago
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    Omg!! you have a lot of diffrent variety of pears. i have spent a fortune on apples trees and pear trees and most of them were killed (deer horning them or dry weather) i have the moon glow and Bartlett and one that was suppose to be keffler but it is round and looks more like a asian pear and very sweet. thanks Home Depot hahaha i know you take a chance buying trees from these big discount stores. any way thanks to the deer i have hundreds of pear trees comming up all around our pasture. Well i have always been real good at propagation and i decided to try to graft a few and all are doing great. This year i am going to graft a lot more and was wondering if you knew where i could buy scion wood to graft with or would be willing to sell some limbs off of your trees when they go dormant. i dont have much to trade with except i do have a lot of diffrent variety of figs. If any one have great pear trees or knows of a source i would be very appreciative. thanks rickypoore@yahoo.com

  • 14 years ago
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    Harvestman do you use any preventive measures for fireblight? Scott mentioned using Copper in the spring presumably before bud break. I have Bosc, Seckel, Comice and Winter Nellis all showing black tips on the leaves (fireblight?). The affected leaves are spread out here and there over the tree so cutting them out wouldn't leave much.
    Dan

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Fire blight IME involves at least entire small shoots and sometimes whole branches dying seemingly overnight. Here in southeastern NY I actually see it more on apples than pears but only Bosc pears at several sites have lost entire scaffold branches. So I've never had enough incentive to either add a strep regimen to my spray sched or even use Apogee. The organic methods usually involve Serenade or Bloomtime Biological FD (whatever that is).

    I had a lot of shoot blight on apples this year which I've never gotten a good explanation of why. The specialists suggest the shootblight is introduced but unnoticable early by bees to flowers, but I don't believe that because sometimes young unflowering trees are affected.

  • 14 years ago
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    From The hills of Southwestern Virginia elevation 2000 feet.

    My pears were a disapointment for me this year in that my best two trees had a very low set. I also had a lot of damage from CM which I've never had before. I didn't spray, but didn't see the damage until the fruit started getting ripe.

    Hamese- my earliest pear was new this year. Just a few to taste. They were medium sized, quite aromatic for an asian pear, but rather mealy. I may have left them on too long.

    Chojuro- Smaller than usual this year and there was a low fruit set. They had good strong flavor as usual.

    Hosui- Some sized up better than usual maybe because of low fruit set. I think the hot weather actually improved the flavor as they were as sweet and tasty as the chojuro but larger. There was a good bit of watercoring which I hadn't seen before, but it didn't detract at all from the taste.

    Twentieth Century (Nijiseiki)-pretty much a failure--the few that set cracked like dried mud.

    Shinseiki- these were very good this year. Flavor like TC but much larger and no cracking.

    Korean Giant- Great flavor and large-unfortunately a lot of CM damage, so I couldn't store them even if I had enough to do so.

    Shinko-Nearly tasteless. This must be good somewhere but apparently not here.

    Ya Li- Pretty, pear shaped pears but not particulary sweet and little flavor. These may have not fully ripened. Only a handful to try.

    Yongi-Just a couple of fruits. A lot like chojuro but quite small. May not be representative since the graft is small.

    Moonglow- These fooled me; they were ready early because of the heat so I got to many of them too late. Most ended up canned. OK flavor; the skin is thick and tough here.

    Maxine- first time to get any fruit (just One) It was relatively small and somewhat rounded. Very good fresh eating.

    Unknown Euro- grafted this a couple of years ago from an aquaintance who had this in her front yard when she moved into her house several years ago. It was probably planted by the first homeowner (she's the third), and no one here knows what it is. Her neighbors told her it's the best pear in the county. Looks a lot like a barlett but is picked ripe from the tree like an asian and has a slight crunch. Perhaps a euro-asian hybrid? The flavor is mild, like a europen, and very good.

  • 14 years ago
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    CM is the bain of my Asian pears. This year we seem to have had a second generation for the first time and almost every one of my Korean Giants has at least some damage- too bad to because they would have made wonderful gifts. Most years many don't quite completely ripen here- this year they're all beautifully golden and sweet as good melons.

    CM is also a huge issue with many of my russet apple varieties. I may give up on Hudson's Golden Gem altogether as this one seems to get ruined by a combination of CM, bees and other pests every year.

    My issues occur within a 2 Imidan spray program and a lot of my fruit flourishes, including all Euro pears and Jap. plums and most varieties of apples and Euro plums that I've tried to grow. However the CM issue seems to be getting increasingly bad so I may have to deal with this next year with another spray or 2.

    I believe we got a second gen of CM because of the long, hot growing season.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    My pears were so bad this year its hardly worth reporting. I didn't control the blister mites well enough and they disfigured the asian pears horribly (I didn't know they could do that until this year). What was left then got damaged by first too hot and dry and then too hot and wet weather. I did get a couple European pears, but there were few enough that the squirrels etc took care of nearly all of them. Dave, I agree on Shinko, its garbage for me as well. I did get a couple Koyama, a variety I got from Lon Rombough, and it was boring. My reliable Fondante des Moulins-Lille produced some great pears like it does every year. My Passe Crassane all dropped too early, or maybe the squirrels were knocking them off.

    Scott

  • 14 years ago
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    IME squirrels don't knock off fruit and leave it- crows do (I've watched them do it to Asians). Of course your squirrels may behave differently.

  • 14 years ago
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    I need to update the evaluation I gave on Highland. I've had a couple very large ones out of proper storage in the last few days and they were absolutely Comice in quality.

    Luscious, dripping juice with a nice pear bouquet. In full sun, properly thinned they may be well worth growing. I guess Cornell wouldn't have released it if it was a total loser.

    However this is the first year they've tasted nearly so good as harvested on my property. I lose the early and late sun to the forest that borders my orchard. Other pears I grow here have less trouble getting up good sugar.

  • 14 years ago
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    Pokeberry just wanted to say hi!!! i looked at your profile and found out that we live close to each other. i also seen where you aked for help and you have received no response to your question. well i dont graft but my husband does and i asked him where was a goog place to buy scionwood and he gave me this link http://wagonwheelorchard.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html i hope this will help you "Kim" p.s. drop me a email we have a few pear trees here on our farm that are very good pears and i have a neighbor that collects diffrent kinds of fruit trees i will ask him what kind he has

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Took Harrow Sweet out of the fridge today for the first time this season. Note that I'm in love w/ Bartlett for its sweetness, juiciness, and fragrance.

    However, this year (second year) Harrow Sweet was better. The skin was tougher, but I peel them anyway. Flesh was very sweet (sweeter than Bartlett) but not the high fructose corn sweetness of Seckel. HS had a nice balance. I ended up eating three of them.

    The best thing about HS was the texture. Firm and juicy. I'd describe it as rubbery, but for most folks that invokes a petro-chemical description. Forget that. It had a beautiful texture. Just enough firmness to be satisfying, but not so soft to be mushy. Just right.

  • 14 years ago
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    I'm with you on HS. It is also precocious (by pear standards), seems psyla resistant and has a real nice spreading growth habit for a pear. I wonder why it is not more widely planted. I discovered it in my nursery by accident when a tree had some ripe fruit on it and I planted it in my orchard as soon as it went dormant.

    As soon as I can get some good wood for grafting from it I will put it into a lot of other pears in my nursery. I transplanted it BR last fall and I left a few pears on it so there isn't much new wood I can remove for grafting this winter although it grew pretty well, considering.

    Here, it is also one of those pears where the tree ripened fruit have good quality.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Not the best year for Asians. It froze as they were in bloom, so a smaller than usual crop.

    There was a lot of cracking damage to the Shinseiki, but the undamaged pears were crisp and sweet.

    Hosui had very few pears. The pears were larger than usual. Skin on Hosui is a bit tough and rough, but the flavor of the pear is quite good.

    Europeans gave heavy crops this year. They have enough sense to bloom after the worst of the freezes.

    The Seckels are just flat out delicious. Good flavor, tender skin, and a lovely smooth texture.

    Bartlet were good, but nobody ate them as long as Seckels were available.

    Bosc pears are fat and have been picked, but they will need to ripen. I love the Bosc flavor. Bosc texture is courser grained. A big plus is that they are late, so extend the fruit season.

    Seckel is too tender to be much of a cooking pear, but Seckel, butter, and brown sugar is a magic flavor combination. So I bake the Seckels with just a light crisp or Dutch crumb topping so the topping is done as soon as the pears are cooked. Left in the oven too long, and you've got pear sauce.

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