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Black patches on persimmons. Problem?

15 years ago

My tree is a Fuyu, which I know is not specific but I can at least say it is an Asian variety. There are occasionally black patches on the fruits, which are sweetening but still hard and crunchy. Not many fruits on this tree are effected by these black marks which cannot be felt by touch, nor are visible anywhere inside the fruit. And the effected fruits seem to be all on the south side of the tree and are all among the most ripe looking. I would hazard a guess that these black marks are more likely to effect the fruits as they come into a certain stage of ripeness. Below are some pics. What's the deal?

Comments (8)

  • 15 years ago

    I've always considered that these were merely blemishes in the skin, usually in response to the fruit brushing against adjacent branches, etc. They always appear to be confined to the 'skin', and do not penetrate into the flesh of the fruit.

  • 15 years ago

    Mechanical forces most commonly from branches rubbing on the fruit can cause some minor cosmetic damage, but this is usually slightly raised and light brown in color. The dark flat spots you found on the fruit growing on the southern side of the tree is superficial sun damage, which again has only cosmetic importance.

    Scott, my Hachiyas are still ripening on the tree and I'm still hoping for an Indian summer situation to allow for full ripening. I'll let you know if I see any of the dark interior discoloration in mine once I harvest them.

  • 15 years ago

    At this point it does seem to be cosmetic only. Thanks for the replies.

  • 8 years ago

    Scott F. Smith brought up a point. Some persimmons have blackened areas INSIDE the fruit, mostly (but not only) where the seeds are supposed to be. There was a black area and as I pressed on that area, it had the look of a rotted seed. But I don't know if that is what it was. I am speaking of a Hachiya persimmon, as the other type I have never seen those blackened areas inside the fruit. One or two areas were actually Obvious seeds, but one or two areas there was no way to tell. Anyone?

  • 8 years ago

    Maybe just a little sunburn.

  • 8 years ago

    Some American persimmons have black specks in the flesh... which someone (Jerry Lehman, I think) told me, years ago, were flecks of condensed tannins. Unsightly, but not contributing to astringency or off-flavors... but a trait to be selected against in a breeding program.

  • 5 years ago

    Ernesto Moreno - 2 years later here. LOL. I frequently found the same things (blackened charcoal like substance - they are not solid mass as upon touching they disintegrate- , always found right next to actual seeds or in that center seed areas) in well ripened Hachiya every year. I would usually just take the "stuff" and consumed the fruit without any issue. But this year, I decided to take time to find out what they are and came across this forum. I always thought they are unmaterialized seeds because of their locations and shapes. I would like to know if anyone has scientific factual information.