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will lasagna method work in this situation?

17 years ago

Hi folks...I'm a novice gardener and have discovered this thing called lasagna gardening which I'd like to try. I have an area that I will be turning into a landscaped perennial/shrub bed and I want to try the lasagna method to improve the difficult clay soil I have. The thing is, I have a young existing tree (kwanzan cherry I think) already in the planting area that will be incorporated into the bed. If I do the layering thing won't that raise the whole soil level much higher than the level the tree is planted or is that not a problem? I realize as the material decomposes it will sink back down but I'm not sure how high I would need to pile stuff for it to be worthwhile and I don't want to create problems for the little tree. I wish I would have thought to do this BEFORE I planted the tree. Live and learn I guess.

Secondly, do you have to wait until it's completely decomposed before you can start planting in it? I'd like to get things planted as soon as possible. Since it's mid June already I suppose the best thing to do would be wait till fall, or is that still too soon?? Maybe next spring would be better.

Thanks for any suggestions out there.

Comments (6)

  • 17 years ago

    Keep the layering about a foot away from the trunk.

    You can plant immediately if you want to. Just dig through the layers.

  • 17 years ago

    have a look at how we do our beds, i reckon you could do this around the cherry tree, but as said by 'lazygardener' keep it away from the trunk a bit for me 6"s would be enough it is only to prevent causing collar rot.

    oh just an aside the roots of the tree will most likley invade the garden medium, but if the garden is only for annuals etc.,. then that may not matter a lot. also not good to do too much digging around the feeder roots of fruit trees.

    len

    Here is a link that might be useful: lens garden page

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks guys! Great website Len. I'll be visiting often!

  • 17 years ago

    I've not heard of the lasagne method - sounds like layering plant trimmings etc? Could you describe?

    I just want to add that you have to be careful about planting around a tree - it's not only the collar rot to be concerned about. If the plants you plant need more frequent watering than the cherry, it may cause root problems, waterborn fungal or bacterial disease in the root zone, which will kill it. This is the reason why some trees cannot accept lawn watering conditions - the lawn watering is too shallow and too frequent...

    You need to be concerned about the area called the drip line- the rule of thumb is that the above ground part of the plant will be mirrored by the area the roots take up.
    I lost a cherry due to overwatering once...

  • 17 years ago

    That most likely will depend on how deep you make that Lasagna bed. I have seen where someone has made a ring of blocks about a couple of feet out from the trunk of a tree and then leveled the soil around the rest of the area to a depth of about a foot and had the tree die after about 3 or 4 years, just whether that was from the soil suffocating the roots or it that was from the dozers movement around the tree (the compaction from heavy equipment will kill trees) as it leveled the soil can never be known, for sure.
    I would not build up a planting bed around a tree unless I could replant that tree.

  • 17 years ago

    g'day jeannie,

    yes it is a layering system(sheet mulching) all the same in the end as raised bed gardening and square foot gardening, instead of digging or tilling and without the need to physically remove lawn whatever you lay the mulch in a sheet form usually no wider than around 4' to define the width of the bed.

    check our raised bed process it will give you a better idea.

    len

    Here is a link that might be useful: lens garden page