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18 years ago

So!

I asked a week or so ago whether to A)leave my plants outside and bring them in at night or B)Keep them indoors under some very decent fluorescent lights. Putting them by a sunny window isn't an option since the only windows face W and SW. After reading advice here and elsewhere I decided to keep them outside and try and monitor them as best I could...

And now after a couple weeks of warm humid weather my plants are under attack by spider mites, as well as these small black insects that look like fruit flies but simply scurry around the flower until I flick them off and crush 'em (gently of course, mustn't hurt the flower!)

So I read that an oil, followed by a soap, treatment is best (repeated 7-10 days later to ensure total eradication), so I plan on doing so.

My question is this: Would I be better off spraying them non-stop every 7-10 days if I plan to leave them outside? Is there a better, longer lasting spray (maybe something more potent)for long-lasting prevention? It seems like it'd be better to prevent the bugs in the first place rather than doing damage control after something nasty has already occurred, y'know?

Or should I just keep my flowers indoors under fluorescent lights? Outdoors they have a shaded porch, nice weather, but oh, the bugs, the bugs...

If anyone can think of a third way I'd love to hear it! Much thanks to all!

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    I'm sure others on here will be more help to you then I, but when a plant I had, had spider mites, I bought GardenSafe Insecticidal Soap (which is safe for ornamental plants) and it got rid of the little buggers. I sprayed once more about 1 week later and they have not returned!

    I guess the first thing you need to figure out why you are having the pest problem... is it the humidity or something else?

    good luck!

  • 18 years ago

    If you are looking for something to work long term, take a look at the Bayer Flower and Shrub systemic, I've had great luck with this product on my 'kids. I believe it now uses Merit. It is absorbed by the plant, so no need to re-apply every 7-10 days. Maybe apply every couple of months or when a problem starts to show itself again. (I don't have insect problems any longer, but I still apply @ once a year as a preventative)


    HTH,

    Bob

  • 18 years ago

    I haven't used the Bayer systemic on my orchids, but I have used it on my miniature roses with great success! I had a horrible outbreak of aphids last summer, and after applying a sprinkling of the systemic granules around the base of the plants and watering it in, I've not seen a bug on any of my mini roses.

    I now automatically sprinkle a bit of the Bayer systemic around the base of any new mini rose, or other perennial, that I am planting... an ounce of prevention is truly worth a pound of cure!

  • 18 years ago

    Systemics are the way to go. The 3-way systemic for roses which have a fungicide, insecticide and fertilizer is one easy way to do one-stop shopping. Or if you don't trust the fertilizer on orchids, you can buy them separately. I've even used the tree and shrub systemic insecticide which is supposed to last 1 year with no damage to the orchids, but it's definitely not labeled for that. When you have a large collection, you need something that works. Otherwise, you get to watch everything slowly languish and die. Before the systemics, I tried a lawn insecticide (bought for my lawn!) designed to kill grubs amoung other things. It's name begins with tri-, but I don't remember the exact name. A major side benefit was it also diminished grasshoppers and other beasties on my outside orchids. But I like the systemics better.
    MsFlintlock

  • 18 years ago

    Granulated systemics don't work well on orchids because of the open media.

    Try Bayer Advanced, it is a liquid systemic and I thought it was excellent. My favorite orchid greenhouse told me it was the best they had ever used and the only bug it wasn't supposed to work on is red spider mites, HOWEVER, when I used it, the only bugs I did have was the red spider mites and one application killed them dead and they never came back. I used it last fall when bringing my plants back in - one dose did it.

    Use it now and then if you wish use again in the fall.

    Susan

  • 18 years ago

    Be careful using oil, either neem or horticultural as the leaves can burn if they get sun on them with the oil.

  • 18 years ago

    My bad,

    I do use the Bayers "Tree" and Shrub. It is not a granular based formula, it's a brown gunky goo. Directions say to mix it in a bucket of water and then pour that around the tree or shrub once a year. Quantity to use depends on trunk diameter.

    I dilute to about 1 tablespoon per gallon of water. I just water my orchids once a year with the B T&S mixed into my normal water. I don't believe the B T&S has fertilizer, but then again...

    It's pretty expensive @ $18/bottle but I've had mine for over 2 years and let a friend borrow to use on her 'kids and still have some left.

    Simple, easy and effective for me.

    Bob

  • 18 years ago

    Susan- I've used Bayer Advanced on my roses--It is stinky brown goop that you dilute and pour around the plant, I don't think this is what you used, now that I think of it--that has a fertilzer component too...at any rate, did you pour your in the potting medium, or spray it on the plants? thanks--nick

  • 18 years ago

    Wiscnick,
    Yes, I did use Bayer Advanced. I bought it in the bottle that you attach to a hose and mixes itself. You spray the foliage and the medium. I got it directly from my favorite orchid greenhouse in Madison area.

    However, I did the math and mixed up on about a quart and then used a pump pressure sprayer to spray my plants and the medium (outside) in the shade. They didn't have the premixed, at the time. It worked great and none of plants were harmed. However, I can't say the same for any bugs that were on my plants.

    Susan

    Here is a link that might be useful: This is Bayer Advanced

  • 18 years ago

    This Bayer Advanced sounds like good stuff--I shall go forth and buy some. I guess it'll be worth it, though I will miss having orchids that smell like cinnamon rolls...Ah well, something for genetic engineers (or orchid breeders) to shoot for.

    Since most people recommended getting rid of the insects, I assume that's better than keeping the plants indoors, eh?

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