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Climber Suggestions

I'm in the process of redoing my front yard and adding more old garden roses. I have some wonderful orders on the way from Rogue Valley Roses and Antique Rose Emporium and am contemplating another with Vintage..... Back in the early to mid 1990s I ordered a bunch from Roses of Yesterday and Today, Heirloom Old Garden Roses, and ARE. Now I need MORE.;)

On one side of my front yard is a MASSIVE climbing Cecile Brunner that my mother planted decades ago. Its base is now so huge it looks like a tree trunk. It is planted near the street and then swallows up most of that side of the yard for 20/30 feet up to close to the house and it also goes up a tall juniper spire and cascades out of it. This plant blooms repeatedly from spring thru summer and into fall and tends to stop traffic as it is a mass of pink! It also swallowed up a number of victims--Shailer's White Moss, Madame Hardy, Potter and Moore, and I forget how many others. Survivors close to the house are two that are easily 6 feet each, Paul Ricault and Madame William Paul--both bloom their guts out! However, I have one sickly rose that is on the other side of the tall juniper spire and that I've never bothered to replace. It is Paul Neyron, a rust magnet, yuck, which will be shovel pruned this year.

I thought it would be nice to put another climber in that spot, one that could go up the juniper spire and also go over the top of climbing Cecile Brunner, haha! So perhaps not the same color. I don't like modern roses or anything in the orange shades. Do love yellow though, and I do like to try different and rare roses. This location is pretty sunny, although it can get some protection from the juniper spire in late afternoon and a *little* afternoon filtered sun from a gingko tree across the driveway (but this tree doesn't block the sun much, and SoCal summers are pretty hot and bright!).

What else I have in the yard, on the other side of the walkway are Felicitie Parmentier (lovely!), Jenny Duval (suckers like mad and blooms like crazy), a HUGE plant of York and Lancaster (long, long canes that climb over the top of a juniper bush, my York and Lancaster is VERY happy it blooms for a long period in the spring and it's flowers perfume the whole yard), a gorgeous Baty's Pink Pillar (from ARE and growing way, way up into a crepe myrtle, the BPP has repeated flushes of flat, packed with petals light pink flowers), a tall The Pilgrim (that rarely blooms, leaving this year), two once blooming light pink mosses from Heirloom (and I can't remember their names!), and a bad rose that has only bloomed once in about 15 years (and that was one flower--from checking my old catalog records it appears to be Mme A. Labbey).

Suggestions for a companion/competitor to climbing Cecile Brunner? A climbing tea? I don't have any teas..... It can get huge as far as I'm concerned, as long is it is willing to go UP and not simply spread sideways (the driveway is close and I do want to park the cars *g*). Is Marechal Niel worth trying???? Or forget about it? One of the Cochets? Something else? Although I'd prefer a repeat-bloomer, maybe a rambler? Or what about a Noisette?

Thanks!

Comments (4)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    From what I can recall from the list of roses I cannot grow, but who may be nice in warm climates, you might want to look at Lamarque, or Devoniensis, or Cramoisi Sup�rieur climbing form. I have no idea how stiff they are, but they pop up in discussions so now and then.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    "up the juniper spire" could need a shade tolerant rose, and to give it an early growth spurt, I'd buy a rose on rootstock..
    -Yellow?
    "Mermaid" is an old rose climber,that was bred from a yellow Tea rose crossed with a wild rose named Rosa bracteata. Mermaid" bears large yellow roses that show a glorious boss of yellow stamens, all which show beautifully against glossy green leaves, which are very healthy in our area.
    Mermaid" is quite vigorous and grows to be 25 feet tall, or more in California. helpmefind.com/roses has photos.It is such a lovely rose, and where I live near san francisco this rose reblooms quickly, and produces some roses through November, along with all of my Tea roses.
    If you get a Mermaid" only train the newest canes, the old ones are brittle. I'm planting lavender around the base of mine so I don't veer into it and get punctured, as it is a prickly plant.
    I grow "Marechal Niel" and adore it, but it is quite slow growing as are many Tea and Noisette roses on their own roots..

    Luxrosa

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Speaking about shade tolerant and vigorous, Madame Alfred Carriere might be a good choice too, as it supposed to be quite shade tolerant and reblooming . Then, there is Sombreuil (Colonial White), Jaune Desprez, Madame Caroline Testout, Mrs. Herbert Stevens.

    Regarding Mermaid, its thorns seem to be legendary, something to take into consideration near the driveway.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have a climbing Cecile Brunner that went up to the roof of our 3 story house (before we had to prune it so that the house could be painted). It has burst out in new growth since then, and I firmly expect it to get as tall within a couple of years. Next to it on the house, the same height and the same width, was a banksie lutea (also chopped back now and also re-growing vigorously).

    I would strongly recommend a banksie lutea for the companion to your CB. The banksie is a once bloomer. In our climate in coastal No Cal it blooms earlier than the CB in the Spring, so you get a staggered Spring bloom between them that lasts for 4-5 (Feb - June usually) months. Also, most years the bloom periods overlap, and the combination is stunning. The soft pale yellow of the banksie is exactly the same strength (or whatever the correct term is) of color as the pale pink of the CB. The banksie blooms in clusters of tiny flowers, so that also complements the small CB blooms. AND IT IS THORNLESS! Completely, none, zero, nada. The long canes are flexible and easy to train (if you have a ladder!). Mine has never been sprayed, and has never had any disease in our climate. When it blooms you cannot see the plant, there are so many flowers.

    Jackie

    P.S. I personally would never plant Mermaid anywhere except perhaps if I had a lot of land and wanted an impenetrable barrier (thorny is an inadequate word) against livestock or roving monsters, or something.