In addition to 'Mrs Yamada' there is also the solid-colored VdB sport, 'Huntington Brocade'. Like Henrikslo, I wonder how -- or if -- either of those is distinct from 'Victor Emmanuel'. It would be very helpful if growers who introduce these 'sports' would describe how they differ from their closest solid-colored progenitor (in this case, VE). It's not a great rarity for VdB to throw a cane that produces only solid color roses, so more 'sports' under different names, altho indistinguishable one from the other, could eventually make it to the marketplace.

I'm linking to a thread on the same subject from last year.

Here is a link that might be useful: Mrs Yamada

Here's another link to a thread from last year -- this one contains a wonderful photo of a 'Mrs Yamada' bloom (5th photo down).

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mrs Yamada' Pic

Thanks for the links Windeaux . "Modern Roses XI" - 'Variegata di Bologna Rouge' , Lowe , 1984 . Again , just another renamed 'Victor Emmanuel' I think.

Henrik

You are right Henrick.

What is the source of the info that Variegata di Bologna is a sport of Victor-Emmanuel? Nothing contemporaneous that I can find.

Since neither the "breeder" (known only as Lodi) nor G. Bonfiglioli, the nurseryman who introduced VdB, addressed the parentage issue, nothing contemporaneous is to be found. There is no record of Lodi ever having bred or discovered a rose other than VdB, so one can speculate that she/he was an ordinary gardener. Altho the date of introduction was 1909, the rose might well have existed for many years -- as a solitary specimen or as a pass-along -- before it came to the attention of the Bonfiglioli firm. Chances are parentage wasn't revealed simply because no one knew or remembered. Absent the results of DNA testing, it's all speculation. To be correct, I guess we should be saying that VdB is thought/assumed/purported to be a sport of 'Victor Emmanuel'.

Every reference book I have, though, states unequivocally that VE is the sport parent. It would be interesting to know who was first to voice that opinion.

I have no idea when this was added to Brooklyn Botanical Gardens collection it's simply listed as Variegata di Bologna Rouge it's been there for years and I never found it to be that remarkable a rose & I love bourbons. It may be the bush but the Spring flush has generally been sparse.
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This is how the bush looked like last year. It's grafted onto multiflora, I think.

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Here's a closeup of one of the flowers. A really nice rose. It has the typical bourbon quality. I'm intrigued by the debate as to what it really is.

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Jeff

There are good descriptions and photos of both , VdB and
Victor Emmanuel in 'Botanica's Roses' second edition from 1999. In my garden they are both profuse bloomers , but
they need the best of the best to thrive. In my experience
they need cool position , strong , slightly acid soil and
some protection from diseases .
I think you're right Windeaux , things just aren't clear enough on this subject.

Henrik