In my normally-cool, coastal, SoCal climate, Le Vesuve mildewed some as a small, immature plant. It has appeared to outgrow that with increasing maturity.
It's a graceful plant here, and a generous bloomer. 'Ware the prickles, which are numerous and vicious. Otherwise, I love the thing.

Jeri

In my experience Ashdown roses ships plants that are much smaller and less mature than ARE. However, if they are the only available source for a rose I'm sure in a growing season in Florida it will catch up.

Ashdown sends out nice roses, so even if yours is small when it arrives, it will do well with some pampering. The quality of all the roses I've gotten from them has been top-notch so far.

Holy Moses! Jean that makes the one at ARE look small. Gosh, how do you prep your soil. Mine is pretty rich and black as it is. I just add some black cow, bone meal, dried leaves, spagnum moss and let 'er rip.

That really is a magnificent bush. I hope mine turns out half as nice.

Swooning over the sight of a pink rose draped across a white picket fence. Gorgeous! How's the fragrance?

Annie

Ashdown is propagating from the LeVesuve in this picture. This bush threw a climbing sport which is apparently staying stable. The climbing version is a good 5' taller than this bush. I thought I had a sport when I found a cane sticking out of the top of the tree next to it. It's still a really vigorous rose. I feed it once in the spring and stand back. That's it. Fragrance is light to my nose which is its only downfall.

Jean

Mine came from ARE, and I absolutely love it! You will, too, I think. It is so healthy and always covered in blooms. I have more than one Le Vesuve, I love it so much. Vicki

I loved this rose. Mine of course died back when the hurricanes came in.

I need to get another one!!!

Deb

My Le Vesuve was new in the ground last year, and I'll admit to being a little disappointed at first. I'd never seen a mature plant in bloom and the baby's early blooms seemed blah - just another pink. But I was thoroughly smitten by mid summer. The youngster grew by leaps and bounds and bloomed more or less continuously as she did so. But what finally did it for me was glancing across the yard and being struck by how strongly the late afternoon sun had brought out the rosy lavender undertones of her blooms. There ain't nothing blah about that pink.

Of course it helped that she sailed through last summer's heat wave like it was an extension of spring.

Sounds like it may be just the rose I was looking for also. I want to plant one in each corner of the front yard. I'm just hoping I saved two out in the pot ghetto. Hubby's heart is set on a white split rail fence, I'll compromise and give up my dream of pickets as long as I can drape a rose over it : ) So glad you posted this Garden Party!

Annie

Le Vesuve is a great rose. If you don't like prickles, don't plant roses. It blooms all the time once it gets a head of steam. Don't leave it in a pot to squander its growth spurts. It will grow big and fast and bloom a lot. And don't nibble away at it by pruning until you see some 4 or 5 foot canes. It can get to be 16 feet wide with age. I've seen a 100 year old plant that is still hugely productive and very beautiful. It will mildew in the shade. Give it lots of sun and let it rip. As for Jean's climbing sport...I'm waiting expectantly for my plant to look different from my others.

Cass -

Let me know what your plant does. The mother plant from which the sport cane was thrown is no more as the new owners of my old home removed it last year. I cut the cane off when I spotted it and sent cuttings to Ashdown. That cane was easily 12' tall and heading straight up. I bought one of the Cl. Le Vesuve last year and it's not big enough to know if it's going to be a true climber or not. Paul told me they thought it was stable as a climber, but mine isn't big enough to know. I hope so because I would love to have that rose climb on my new house.

Jean

hi

i had ordered le vesuve,cl before seening these posts. i was considering where to place it and googled.

so, here i am. and based on your comments i had decided to place it in my last and best front garden spot.

however, i received the rose today. it has what appears to me to be a pure white bud (5 leaflets, green leaves, new growth is reddish as are thorns that held perpendicular to stem); white is not a problem, but not for this spot.

so i ask you ladies, is a white bud typical of this rose or could i have received a mislabeled plant?

i am sure you all understand the 'right rose' for the 'right spot' :)

thank in advance, christie

It darkens in sunlight, in that "fade-to-dark" way that some Asian roses have. So if this plant has been in a greenhouse, it may have produced an atypical bud. Red prickles is correct. They are very red.
I would query the vendor.

Jeri

hi jeri:

'prickles' as in many? this has very single thorns. no prickles on cane.

i will ask vendor, but takes time for response and was hoping for that easy/quick answer.

again, thanks, christie

Many single prickles along the cane. Any chance of a photo, Christie? I can get for you a photo of prickles on a mature plant, but that may not be helpful with a newly-rooted cutting.

Do you mind saying who the vendor is????

Here is the photo, of those I have, most likely to show you the shape and placement of prickles.
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Jeri

hi jeri

pouring rain today or i would have added pic. i will tomorrow.

but, looking at the foliage and thorn colour/placement, i'm pretty sure that is the right rose. just really threw me that the bud was so very white. i think you are right about the photosensitivity, tho. it is not something i usually come across.

the vendor is ashdown, i have only had recent dealings with them. all pleasant. mislabels happen; and, as i said, that white bud ...

i've saved this location for a while now - hard to find that 'perfect rose':o)

any additional information you can share on form would be great. i'll add the picture of the bud tomorrow.

thanks, christie

On the form of the bloom, Christie? Or the other parts?
FWIW, the leaves are pretty glossy -- I can photograph some of them later today. They're quite dark green for me -- but that can vary.
One thing -- If by accident this was a mis-named plant, I'm sure Ashdown will make it up.
But I really WOULD email to them, and let them know that the little plant has a white bloom, and that you have a concern.

Jeri

Jean - that's a beautiful shot. I'm not clear - do you mean that Ashdown is propagating both the bush form from your original plant and the climbing sport?

I received a nice-sized plant of the bush form from Ashdown this spring and it has taken off like wildfire. I love the blooms, which in my garden are blush edged with lavender pink.

George

I have 4 plants of Le Vesuve, one of which is labelled the climbing form from Ashdown. They all look exactly alike thus far. It is definitely a semi-climbing rose anyway, at least the rose we have out here which was originally a found rose called "Vintage Towers Tea."

hi

apologies in advance for my camera skills. worse, i set the camera down, sure i could find it - an hour later i did, i had tossed it into the compost.

certainly, i may end up contacting ashdown, but thought this might be quicker (and more fun)

the bud in the pic looks a little pink, it isn't it is the odd white that is almost an absence of colour.

form,no not flower, but plant. some climbers are lax, almost groundcover in nature, others stiff, and still others really arch and spread. that is the type of info on form is what i am looking for. and rebloom - i'm in zone 5, but could put this in a protected zone 7 site if necessary.

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clearly my camera skills need work. but i think you can see the red new growth and thorn ok.

again, thanks, christie

OK Christie -- Here's a better look for you at the details of 'Le Vesuve'
Take a look particularly at the color, shape, and placement of prickles, and at the stipules.
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Look at the red color on the stipules, and at the way the sepals fold back . . .

Jeri

hmmmm...

well, this plant is not terribly mature, but ... the only similarity is the red thorn, but on closer examination the thorns on this rose, while red, are not as numerous, nor as red.

i think not. oh, well, to ashdown i shall go.

now, i am wondering what rose i do have. i'll put it w/ the three others (collected) that i cannot name, pretty soon i will a special garden just for unidentified roses.

i'll let you know if i figure out what it is.

but, i am more convinced than i was, that le vesuve, cl is a rose i want to add to my property. your photos are spectacular.

many thanks for you time and your help, christie

hi

i got trish @ ashdown immediately. i don't think the nice lady sleeps, but waits online to help customers (kidding, of course - but she is very helpful).

trish is convinced that i have received the correct rose; feels, just as you had suggested, that it was the light situation in the 'tunnel'. well, that is good enough for me, le vesuve will be planted in the 'perfect' spot tomorrow.

thanks, christie

pretty soon i will a special garden just for unidentified roses.

*** If, eventually, you do -- you will be on the way to emulating me. :-)

Jeri

I bought the Cl. Le Vesuve from Ashdown also. I think I just put in the ground a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what it does.

where is the best place to post for assistance in identifying these charming, but mysterious, upstarts (pun intended - they were all starts from roses i 'found')?

You can surely start a topic here.

Remember that, in uploading images for identification, as much detail as you can get is helpful. Bloom is fine, but also bud form, whole plant, leaf-sets, details of canes and prickles, hips if possible, etc.
Also helpful is information about the site where the rose was found -- not specifics of how to get there, but rather information that might help to place the rose in a time frame.

Blooms are helpful, but in many ways they are the least-helpful piece of information.
Also, be prepared for a long haul. Some roses are familiar, and can easily be identified. Others remain unidentified for decades, if not forever.
And that's OK too. :-)

Jeri

hi - well, the verdict is in.

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trish/ashdown is clearly vindicated; was there really any doubt?
the buds and thorns still don't really resemble the above pics, but the rose is le vesuve. i must have been confident as i placed it in a prime location. one that is very difficult to access - and fortunately, there it will stay, hopefully, to bloom and bloom and then bloom some more.

jeri - you know, i feel sort of foolish. i didn't make the connection between your screen name and uncommon rose's hybrid musk introduction.

to have a rose named after you is a singular honour and high compliment. it is my understanding that this tribute is well deserved.

hopefully, i will add this rose to my gardens next year. one of the best, and the worst, aspects of rose gardening, is that there is always next year. and a new rose to welcome.

christie

That is one beautiful rose!

Trish ;)

gorgeous! I will add it to my list!

Thanks, Y'all, for confirming that Ashdown already is offering the Climbing version of Le Vesuve. I'm going to order it. The growth habit intrigues me more than the blooms. I can see a lot of Rosa Gigantea in the way it grows.