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Own roots-roses?

15 years ago

Is there a magic list, somewhere of the roses that do well on their own roots, and which roses are better off on other rootstocks? The "own root" roses I have are insanely healthy and vigorous, and I would like to "start" some of my rootstock roses with cuttings so I can have them be on their own roots. Now I realize that MOSTLY roses are on grafted rootstocks to speed up the time to get them big, and retail salable. But, I am sure some roses would be a pitiful mess if they were on their own roots. Anyone know where I can get info on this subject?

I got (2) Belle Story roses on ebay that were itsy bitsy rooted cuttings from someone's plant. (3 years ago) They have passed up the size of roses I got in 5 gal containers (on rootstock) at the same time., and the Belle Story roses are so crazy healthy.

If there is no list.. I'll start a list. Here are some roses that are superstars on their own roots

*Belle Story

*Pink Eden

*Westerland

*Portlandia (but this stinker has vegetative growth center problems)

*Colette

*The Cottage Rose

* Veilchenblau (0 to 20' in three years)

*Alexandra Rose

Comments (6)

  • 15 years ago

    I think a lot of it depends, like everything to do with roses, on exactly where you are. I have heard, for example, that roses do better in Florida if they are on Fortuniana, but that has something to do with the soil in Florida.

    Where are you?

    In No Cal where I live, almost all of my roses are on their own roots, and the ones that were not were constantly throwing up suckers, which drove me crazy.

    Jackie

  • 15 years ago

    Yep, Petaluma CA All my own roots are doing great & I am sick of suckers too1 Would like to convert all of them to own roots

  • 15 years ago

    You would probably find it easier to compile a list of roses which are awful on their own roots then the reverse. If you still have a J&P catalog from before their demise, check to see what they offered as New Generation Roses, their own root ones. If it wasn't on that list, they probably (though not guaranteed) found the rose not to root easily nor grow well own root. Case in point, they tried to offer Henry Fonda own root but found it didn't grow well enough so they went back to budding. That should help take care of that bunch.

    Week's also offers a number of theirs own root. If they don't offer the variety you have in mind, it's as likely at this point they hadn't gotten around to that one as it is it won't work well.

    As for Austins, I'd imagine any of them with any vigor to them should work acceptably well in most situations. The really awful plants (Dove, Fair Bianca and other weak, spindly ones) probably won't make great plants own root. Yes, you will always find sources for them as own root plants. You can find Grey Pearl as an own root plant but that does NOT mean it will be any good, just that someone is offering it that way.

    You're probably going to find this whole exercise easier and more valuable if you ask which roses are awful on their own roots. I can guarantee you it'll be a whale of a lot easier to compile! Kim

  • 15 years ago

    I haven't noticed a difference in the moderns and all my ogr's are own-root.

  • 15 years ago

    I think success also has to do with climate as well. I never had luck with a own root hybrid tea in zone 5. They just do not have the vigor necessary to spring back after winter, unless they are grafted.
    The vigorous David Austin english roses, most are great own root for me. They are quite vigorous, and well mannered on own root. One that is not good own root: Pat Austin, this rose is own root and has never gotten more than 1 foot tall! Definitely get this one grafted.
    I try to get own root when I can unfortunately it is difficult to get some of the antique roses as such. I have had multiflora grafts "go bad" a couple times, the rootstock just seemed to die.

  • 15 years ago

    Absolutely, sc_gardener. Climatic suitability is a key ingredient for success. If a variety isn't good own root where own root roses mostly succeed, though, they surely won't be good where the climate is more extreme. Kim