Your best bet is to contact Paul Barden, who bred it, and see if he's willing to deal with the issues of sending it overseas. An alternative would be to contact Hans at Bierkreek and acquire the hybrid listed below. Paul used pollen from the non remontant Orangeade X Fedtschenkoana seedling I created on Midnight Blue to create the rose you asked about. Hans has DLFED 3 which is the mossed hybrid of Orangade-Fedtschenkoana and Basye's Legacy, so it also contains genes from Moschata, rugosa, carolina and Hugh Dickson. You have roses superior to Midnight Blue with which to cross it. DLFED 3 is more successful as a seed parent than Oadefed, so you can use it both ways, as seed or pollen. It's also a much more attractive and decent garden subject than the original Oadefed. I've only retained two of the DLFED seedlings, this and DLFED 4, the remontant seedling, but 4 isn't as easily bred. Expect to "kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince", as you've already discovered, but your chances of raising healthier, more interesting seedlings are greater with DLFED 3. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: DLFED 3

I've always been fascinated by R. Fedtchenkoana, one reason being that it was named after the Russian woman scientist who discovered it (I hope I'm right about that) and the other that it's one of the few wild roses that repeat. I'm curious to what extent this rose actually repeats and whether it's a garden-worthy rose (although not, I imagine, in my garden!).

Ingrid

Oh, Camp, you gave up too soon, lol. I've been doing seedlings for about 6 years now and I've had probably over 500 seedlings and guess what? Nada, zip, zilch. Not one really decent one in the bunch! Oh, a few have been OK-ish but nothing special. And my whole operation is small potatoes compared to what the real hybridizers, like Paul, have done.

I can't remember which breeder it was now (maybe Jim Sproul on his hulthemia hunt?) but I do remember the picture very well. It was a photo of one average size rose bush that must have had litterally hundreds of tags hanging from it of different crosses that he'd made. And each one of those hips would have produced anywhere from 2 to maybe 6 or 8 seeds! Sometimes even more depending on the rose.

They go through thousands of seedlings to find that one good one. But, oh boy, I'll bet it's all worth it when you do! Not monetarily, of course and unfortunately, but the satisfaction! But even then the chase goes on because maybe, just maybe, there might still be a better one out there!

Camps,
Where is this rose available from? Bierkreek? Is it that expensive to order from Europe? I've ordered from various European countries and found shipping prices tolerable, though of course I was making large orders, so the shipping price per plant was less.
Reading the species that go into the rose Kim describes, I wonder how it would do here. We're great for the once-blooming old roses and the Teas and Chinas (when they don't get smashed by snow), but Rugosas, Spinosissimas, and R. moyesii are all problematic to impossible.
Melissa

Spins and moyesii impossible - am I reading this correctly? For me, both those classes are my absolute top faves. True, they are not remontant and moyesii is gaunt, leggy and late to come into any sort of growth but when it does!!!
Rugosas are a bit duff owing to alkali soil but Fedschenkoana is a lovely rose - it is the chalky white blooms superimposed against the lead green foliage - a gorgeous mix, but for those who really love those paeony-like full-petalled ballerinas, a species such as Fedschenkoana may well be a tad disappointing.
For those keen on history, it is an important rose in the damask lineage.

I would entertain the idea of distributing this clone if I felt there was sufficient interest in it.

Paul

Well, Suzy wants it. Isn't that enough? LOL

Why wouldn't there be (interest) - it is gorgeous!
Repeating single roses with that wild shrub look are rarer than hen's teeth. Yep, there are plenty of singles (Dainty Bess, Dusky Maiden, Golden Wings and so on) but are either a bit puny (Mrs Oakley Fisher), rampant (Mermaid) or non-repeating (numerous, tending towards a fleeting season - blink and you miss them).
But hey, I always forget that everyone does not have the same passion for the simple 5- petaled ur-rose.

Paul, I'm interested in this too, as a companion to r. glauca, with it going up a tree. I'd planned to use Basye's Legacy, but I'm interested in the Fed Lav 08 as it might bloom more.

It would get as much sun as I have here, from the south in a cleared forested area. Do you think that's enough sun? - you know how wet and grey it is here a lot of the time.

Gean

"Why wouldn't there be (interest) - it is gorgeous!
Repeating single roses with that wild shrub look are rarer than hen's teeth.
But hey, I always forget that everyone does not have the same passion for the simple 5- petaled ur-rose."

It is a beautiful rose (you should see it in person; it has many stellar traits), but five-petaled roses in commerce are "rare as hens teeth" for a reason: the audience for these "wild shrub" lookalikes is a very small one. Such roses just don't have a lot of appeal to any but a "discriminating" group of aficionados. ;-)

Personally, I really like this rose, but you and I, Campanula (Suzy?), are in a minority. That said, regulations have made it nearly impossible to share plant material between continents. I have no idea what hoops I'd have to navigate to get material to you. Feel free to come and take anything you like ;-)

Paul

Suzy,
Believe me, I'd grow them if I could. What I mean is that I've tried these roses repeatedly, and all have died or been miserable. The Spinosissimas, Rugosas, and R. hugonis (or 'Canary Bird': I'd not sure which it is) are all cripplingly susceptible to cane girdler--so is R. palustris--while I've tried R. moyesii three or four times, and it has never done anything. My gardening buddy in central Italy reports similar results. As far as I can tell, these roses simply don't grow in my conditions. My 'Canary Bird' was absolutely magnificent for a few years until cane girdler arrived, and that was the end of its glory. A couple of the Fruehlings- roses do fine, though I'm still trying to get 'Fruehlingsgold' going after moving and losing my splendid first plant.
For the record, I love full peony-style blooms, but I also love singles, and the character of many species roses. One favorite that does do well here is 'Dupontii'.
Melissa

Ah, that is a shame, Paul, that your really lovely rose is just not recognised for the unique treasure it is. Without being disrespectful to other hybridisers (because for sure I know how hard it is, to find a pearl amongst the swine), I think it is possible to become a victim of success. The Austin roses broke new ground, back in the 70s and 80s but have all got a bit samey. It must be hard to take risks with unusual hybrids, wild cards, experiments, specially with a business empire and a fan base to cultivate.......but sometimes, really good things come out of an insane whim and an idealistic optimism. I might be wrong but I feel there is an increasing appetite for a less complicated type of gardening, freer, looser, back to basics. I am sure a rose such as Fed.Lav 08 could gain traction. I certainly hope you do not get disheartened and fail to take the road less traveled.

Ah well, I guess I could try Hans, Kim, and a bit more standing on the shoulders of giants and revive my pollinating brush (an ancient make-up brush which last saw cosmetic use around 1984)....and yep, Seil, I caved in shamefully fast - I got the practicals OK but honestly, I used any old roses including notorious rubbish.....and then got distracted with woodlands and stuff. I am used to a high attrition rate so not gnashing (imaginary) teeth.

Oh, so sorry about that, Melissa. I see where you are coming from and yeah, those roses with many slender twiggy canes which are thin, but woody (exactly like spins and moyesii) are really vulnerable to chomping cane wreckers. Maybe R.pendulina? Penzance sweetbriars? nutkana?roxburghii?

Mmmmm, R.dupontii - a lovely mannerly rose. Hey, maybe palustris or virginiana....or foliolosa

" I am sure a rose such as Fed.Lav 08 could gain traction."

Perhaps. You are welcome to come and take cuttings. I have no intention of distributing it "officially".

"I certainly hope you do not get disheartened and fail to take the road less traveled."

Its not so much a matter of becoming disheartened, I retired from rose breeding in 2011 because I believed the industry was going to continue to contract indefinitely, and there would not likely be any kind of renaissance in my lifetime. I believe this is exactly what is happening. How many commercial entities do we have in the US now that are actively doing R&D of new varieties? By my count, that is a zero.

Well, I can relate to that - having the freedom to be a bit of a renegade and dance to your own drumbeat is sometimes worth the loss of income (and pressure). Even worse, when the thing you really loved starts to morph into something rather different to the initial creative passion - deadlines, business, banking, customers (yikes) invoices, tax...............
Still, despite having retired, you are still rosing (a dubious verb, i know but), still locked into plant love, writing, photographing, sharing.......ultimately, all's well.

I was surprised to see that Mr. Bardens Fed. Hybrid was a pink rose and saturated at that, I was expecting a white rose.
I read somewhere that R. fed is one of the 3 parent species that by D.N.A. analysis are shown to be the direct ancestors of Alba Semi-Plena.
A couple years ago a vendor brought well more than
a dozen pots of large bushes of R. fed. to the Old Rose Celebration, in El Cerrito, California I thought about how much he loved that rose to have lugged them all from his vehicle.
I must have spent a quarter of an hour oohing and ahh-ing over those lovely leaves with their white-green reverse. When the leaves of a rose please me as much as the flowers; I have found my hearts' dream.

Luxrosa

The paper I remember determined thet R. fedtschenkoana was a parent species of the old damasks. Later, I'm sure, damasks were bred with R. canina to give rise to the albas, but I am not familiar with a paper documenting the parentage of Alba Semi-Plena.

:-)

~Christopher