Judith, I can't specifically tell you what Jude will do in hot scorching sun. Mine gets mostly morning sun. I can say that the shade issue has been discussed recently and apparently roses can handle more shade than we give them credit for. A garden I visited this year was surprisingly shady and the roses were blooming like crazy. I'm even thinking of adding a small tree in my bed on the hill. I don't know how much this helps you but wanted to add it. If I were a rose in TX, I would appreciate some shade and a cool drink.

Carla

I don't have JtO, but I do have a few other Austins and they appreciate some shade from scorching sun. Our summers get very hot and Graham Thomas especially glories in the morning sun, wilts like a wet noodle in afternoon sun and then perks up in the evening. I've moved him to morning sun and afternoon shade.

I have Jude the Obscure, and this is the 2nd year, so I'm looking for it to just creep along. Mines about 2 and a half feet tall, and should grow a lot this summer, and it has lots of buds. Not too many flowers last year, and they are fragile.

The blooms were fragile year, and I think it would prefer afternoon shade, but mine has all day sun, and the blooms don't last long.

It certainly is a beautiful rose.

Brenda

Brenda

Judith,
This is one of my favorite roses and I'm in NE TX. The blooms aren't completely devastated by the heat like some Austins (Pat Austin especially). Mine is in a situation similar to what you are describing and it does OK. Morning shade from an oak tree, afternoon sun. I think it would do better in a reversed situation, and mine may benefit some from the trees that are right next to it which give some teensy bit of afternoon semi-shading.

My JtO isn't very stingy. There is always a bloom so that you can enjoy that wonderful fragrance, almost the best of all roses.

I brought mine with me from my last home and it spent a season out of the ground into a pot in all day sun where it did fine. Then it went back into the ground with all day sun and it does fine. The blooms are too fragile for cutting but I have no problem with them on the bush. It tops out at about 4-5 ft. with occasional 6 ft shoots and blooms regularly. And we have loads of heat here in Orange County.

It doesn't like wet weather - it will ball. The blooms do terribly as a cut flower, rarely lasting more than 2 or 3 days even if cut early. Jude hates shade, but can't handle too much direct sun. Seems to repeat in flushes poorly.

Balls in wet weather, flowers fade in hot sun, stingy bloomer. All around he's a crummy rose except for scent, for which I give him a 10+.

Mine has been great here in tx. Even last year, the year I bought him, he gave me lots of blooms. He did stop blooming sooner than the other roses. The flowers smell fabulous. He only got to be about 2 1/2 feet tall, but I am wondering if that was just because he was new. He gave me approx. 40 flowers this year for his first flush and already has new buds on him! He gets full morning sun and full shade after about 2:00. His flowers don't last long in a vase, but the smell makes it worth it. I haven't had any problems with balling yet.

Would Jude look good near hot cocoa?

My opinion is no. I don't grow Hot Cocoa, but I took a long look at the photos on HMF and thought to myself that most roses look pretty good to great next to each other, but HC would look awful next to Jude. You may disagree. Diane

Deborah, do you have any photos of your Hot Cocoa that you could post here, and then take a look at how that rose would look next to a Jude like above? I love the interesting colors of Hot Cocoa, but think this rose hardly looks like the cocoa drink. Maybe Hot Sriracha fits the rose a little better as a name. Diane

As far as color, I think Hot Cocoa would look great next to Jude. I have both of these roses and would certainly put them in arrangements together. The bushes look very different as far as growth habit and the flower form is different as well, but I think they’d look great beside each other.

Well….i ended up moving Sitting Pretty next to Hot Cocoa today. It will have queen of elegance on other side. Behind SP is outta the blue. That finally decided me. My salvia & African blue basil were huge, so I cut them back & saw the bloom on outta the blue & decided against Jude going there. So now Jude is planted probably too close to nectar plum, but in front of princesse cdm, near Wollerton oh. I also moved desdemona where I had tottering by gently. So now I have to figure out where to put tottering. And I pulled summer nomance out, without really digging, so it’s a small hole, and slipped a gentle hermione in. That will also be near Jude. Thanks for your help. Maybe it’s best I didn’t put Jude next to hot cocoa - that would have put it on street, and people might have stopped too often to take a sniff!

Or take a bloom, Deborah. Jude would be a sore temptation to passersby. I'm dizzy from reading about all the rose moving you did. I need you to move a couple of my rose bushes. Pleeeez. I want to get Eglantyne away from deer and this giant sagebrush that my kingly neighbor should remove. It's too much of a fire hazard where it grows. Anyway, I hope all your moves work out. That would have taken me days. Diane

I also planted a camellia & repotted a fuchsia, and whacked my backyard strip of blu grama, lavender, calylophus etc! Plus went to nursery to stock up on barks & things before rain & holidays shut everything down! Oh - also planted penstemon apple blossom , salvia amistad, & a Lauren’s Grape poppy! And planted mill on Floss into my now claimed for flowers slope. Whew. Trying to do my wordle & falling asleep! Sheila - your roses are fantastic. I love my James l Austin.isnt he a star? I hope my Jude grows up to look like yours & Dianes. He was a cutting I took from my friends rose bush, about 4 years ago? started strong, got planted out, then languished in shade, so dug up last year & put in a pot. Now back in ground. Fingers crossed. Rootball not very big.

Did you actually plant a Lauren's Grape Poppy, or sow seed? You must have sown seed. Need more? Diane

I recommend James L. Austin, yes.

Diane, I wondered the same about whether she planted Lauren's Grape seeds or a plant. I think a plant, since she said "a Lauren's Grape". I bought seeds of both Lauren's Grape and Hungarian Blue poppies this summer, and was planning on doing an experiment with planting some on Nov. 1, Dec. 1, etc., but I have fallen behind! Our climate is so mild that any of those might work. I got them because a local friend saw a Hungarian Blue in bloom outside of a business in March or April of last year. I need to check to see if my friend has planted any of hers yet :-D

Sorry for my crazy post. I was typing on my ipad, which I loathe doing, and I can't edit on the ipad (or phone). Plus, I was literally dozing as I typed. Sheesh. I planted one lone Lauren's grape poppy, a 4" plant. I will see if the seeds from last year in back do anything. I'm afraid to throw out more seed for fear of having to thin the seedlings...

Judi -- here's hoping I get lots of both Hot Cocoa and Jude Blooms so I can experiment in a vase!

I just finished my grading. My neck is killing me. Time to sign off! :-)

Sheila -- is that ONE Jude??

Yes, Deborah, only one Jude.

Here is my Jude last May, days before our freak heat wave in May. He dropped every one of these blooms in about a day.

I'm pretty sure these were some of the petals.

Wowza!!!!

Jude was the biggest baby in the heat of all my roses. Second was Boscobel whose blooms balled up and refused to open. Diane

If I ever get balling, (which is very infrequent) its in cool wet weather when the blooms are opening slower. Warm wet weather like in our summers, I have no balling on cupped roses. Even Spirit of Freedom, with its 200+ petals doesn't ball in our very rainy summers. It rarely balls in very early spring and only if its cool enough and rainy at the same time. Ditto for Jude etc.

Jude doesn't ball, his blooms just collapse when he's angry. Diane

He's happy here with Brother Cadfael.

What gorgeous plants Diane. I ordered two Judes this season to try again.