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oak leaves in iris bed

18 years ago

I am preparing a new bed for some iris I have ordered. The site I am planning to use was once the location for some potato growing raised beds of a sort. a material that an on-line retailer sold for that purpose (think cylinder) and filled with compost, manure that had been composted, top soil, etc...but we decided after a few years that this was not a worthwhile use of the area.

Back to the present. I have three 3 to 3.5 ft in diameter "raised beds" with a two foot flat unimproved other than killing off the grass and weeds on the flat surfaces(a continuing battle I might add) between the center mound and the outside two mounds.

I also have an enormous pile of partially composted oak leaves. The leaves are where they lay when we used a blower to corral them a bit. I have a leaf shredder that I can use to shred any larger leaf material into for fine shreds.

It seems to me that even though the leaves are not fully composted, maybe I could dig them into this area that I plan to use and they should help me obtain a looser and better texture, and improve my chances with the iris.

I am unsure if this is the best thing to do. I do have compost cooking in a different area that I will also use, but there will not be nearly the quantity I should need.

I have read that I should till the proposed iris bed area to a depth of 12 inches (you know I would be planting or exposing all sorts of weed seeds), but I would still have time to put down the wet newspapers again to kill them.

What should I do? Dig in the leaf substance? Till it up or no. Put down paper again to kill or prevent the newly unearthed weed seeds? Or would corn gluten be better than wet newspaper? Would corn gluten affect the iris 4 months later?

Since I live in central AL Zone 7, I know some (maybe even most) of the iris won't thrive here. The ones I had this year were gorgeous, and I want more so I'm willing to risk this.

Come on please, give me your expert advice. I would greatly appreciate it.

Kay

Comments (7)

  • 18 years ago

    I'm having a little bit of difficulty picturing your setup. It sounds like your raised beds should be excellent--compost, manure, and topsoil. If the flat area doesn't drain well, you can till in a number of ammendments to loosen it -- much like the raised beds you made before.

    I wouldn't till in uncomposted oak leaves, since they are 'browns' and would suck the nitrogen out of the soil as they decompose.

    The most important thing with iris, I think, is let the rhizome see the sun (no mulch), keep the bases cleaned up of dead leaves, etc. and avoid heavy nitrogen fertilizers that encourage rot.

    Good luck!

    (You can hit the iris forum for better advice)

  • 18 years ago

    High Carbon materials do not "suck" Nitrogen from your soil but if that high Carbon material is worked into the soil the soil bacteria will get busy digesting it and they will utilize all the available Nitrogen to do that and concentrate on digesting that material and not on feeding your plants. But once they die off that Nitrogen they used will be put back into your soil for future use.
    Since my sandy soil, in the higher areas, drains so well I use shredded oak leaves as a mulch on the beds the Iris are planted in, but not in the lower areas where the high water table has soil moisture nearer the surface, until in mid July (usually) when the water table drops way below the roots zone.

  • 18 years ago

    Mulch or unfinished compost might promote rot & borers in iris.

    I'd post the same question on the Iris Forum;
    there are a lot of very knowledgeable & very helpful iris growers over there.

  • 18 years ago

    Thank you all very much for your input.
    Kay

  • 18 years ago

    I don't grow Irises, but I do use oak leaves for mulch on all of the plants that I do grow. Including bulbs like daffs and tulips...

    But do think mulches and bulb type plants may have rot issues depending upon the climate that you live in...

    I probably would not till the leaves in, but rather use htem for mulch...mainly because that is what I do with everything else.

    I second sylvia's suggestion to check the iris forum.

  • 18 years ago

    kimmsr is right, it is bacteria that do the actual sucking. ;) And it's also true that when the leaves have left, and the bacterial population recedes (dies), their little bacteria bodies will return that nitrogen back to the soil. That's my small understanding of the Soil Food Web.

    It takes a while for this digestion, and if you're going to plant iris now, that nitrogen would be unavailable to your iris.

    I do grow some iris, so my other advice is pretty sound.

  • 18 years ago

    Yes, you do need to know about your soil. Mulches on clay soils can, if that clay soil is not well amended with organic matter and that clay soil does not drain well, can hold too much moisture in the soil and can cause rot. But if you have a well drained soil, whether it is clay or sand, mulches will not cause rot, whether the mulch is shredded Oak leaves or other tree leaves.