Mons. Tillier tends to get bare legs here. You'll have to get local opinions. He wouldn't be my choice - - massively thorny basals and bare knees aren't beautiful.

I'd like to hear what the locals think about "Georgetown Tea." It's really a copper Tea, but then so is Mons. Tillier, if that rose is in the color family you like. GT blooms like a house afire, repeats fast, has lots of nice foliage. I just don't know how large it will top out because my plant is still young.

Hedges have a perverse way of killing one off or making one a runt, mostly to make you look bad. You're tempting Fate by planting all the same rose. Of course with Teas and only 20 feet to work with, you're talking 3, maybe 4 plants max, so you could luck out. It depends of the degree of formality you're after. Personally, I'd ... hedge my bets and match the roses on the ends and put a different Tea in the center. Mrs. B. R. Cant flanked by Georgetown Tea...you'd only need 3 unless they're way smaller in Zone 7. This Missus is a beast.

I have a lovely hedge of Marie Pavie around my patio/pergola. In the south, they will be taller and wider than listed on Helpmefind. Right now, mine need pruning but I am waiting until after they finish this, their second repeat. They are very beautiful and fragrant. Madame Lombard, Monsieur Tillier and any other tea I have ever grown will be tall and bare-legged and too wide and too tall unless that is what you really want. My choice would be Marie Pavie, but then what do I know?

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Not many tea's would fit in a 20' space. They can get pretty large here, most of mine are on 8' centers. Mrs. BR isn't really dense or shrubby for me she's more open, airy. The Knockouts do meet all the requirements they are wanting well except for fragrance. They would easily make a large dense low care shrubby hedge on their own.

My KO's are as big as teas. After five years, one is 8-feet wide.

Apparently you know a lot, pat.

Wow. What a handsome view. So how tall does Marie Pavie grow there, Miss Pat? Who wouldn't want one of those!

Mine are about 5 feet tall now, but they will get pruned back to 3 feet after they finish bluming. We prune them with hedge clippers, and they repeat within 2-3 weeks after pruning. They do bloom constantly. It smells so good, I just love her.

Well, then I think I've found my hedge (for next year). I was thinking of going Knock out, but these look much nicer.

wow Patricia, gorgeous photo!! Hurry to Charleston so you can make my garden look like that!

I forgot to add earlier Pat I love your Marie hedge, gorgeous! Also the statue of the little girl in front of the picket fence catches my eye she looks so darling there. I long for picket fences : ) It's a real treat getting to see your beautiful garden!

Annie

I am with Miss Pat, go for Marie P. plus you get the fragrance! You will love the fragrance. I wish I had the room for a hedge of Marie!! I think she is a bloom machine as well.
Good luck!
jenn

I vote for Mrs. B.R. Cant. She is such a beautiful tea rose - maybe my favorite. A couple of months ago I planted 8 of her to make a hedge around my pool screenhouse, and she has tripled in size already. I had originally thought of using several different teas, but after talking with Mike Shoupe at the Antique Rose Emporium, he said it would look best with all of the same bush. I'm glad I followed his advice. Mine are bushy so far, but they get a lot of sun.

The one I planted on the Northwest corner of my house gets slightly less sun, though at least 6 hours, and she is taller and more airy in growth. However, she has only been in the ground since December. I hear that she takes a year or two to fill in sometimes, though the ones around my screenhouse are very bushy.

She would be very pretty with a light pink or white shorter growing rose in front. I even think she is pretty with a delicate yellow.

She is also a very, very healthy rose, that I think would seldom, if ever, need spraying.

Sandy

You're lucky to have a lot of heat. I lose Mrs. B. R. Cant's spring flush every year, the whole thing spoiled by balling. The rose is in full sun, lots of air circulation. It just doesn't get the heat (or something) it needs to open well when it's ready to open. That plant has tested my patience. One more year unless I find something that just has to go in the ground fast.

Cass I thought I was the only one that had trouble with Mrs. B.R. Cant. I've given her 3 years and haven't had a dozen decent blooms. Balling in the spring, thirps and burned petals the remainder of the summer. The only tea I've had trouble with, strange huh? Well she has until the fall to get her act together or she's out of here.
BTW Kristin I have Marie Pavie and Marie Daly and wish I had a hedge of both.

Can I hope that it's a question of the wrong clone and that there's a better one out there? Hamp, where did you get your plant? I'm going to guess our plants came from different sources, but maybe they all came from the same mother plant. Mine came from Ralph Moore's Sequoia Nursery.

Cass, mine came from Chamblee's. You might be on to something. I've heard so any good things about the missus but this one has been a total disappointment for me.

Mine came from Ashdown.

Oh wow, Cass and Hamp, does misery love company! Mrs. B.R. has been M-I-S-E-R-A-B-L-E here so far. I thought it was my fault...here we have an 8.9 rose and it does exactly what you describe: balling, crisping etc. I had the shovel next to it and...I kid you not...it put out the most glorious flush around last Thursday. As if that were not enough, everyone who visited said "oooo what is THAT ROSE?! you must LOVE IT!" so I put the shovel away. I have 2 versions, one from Vintage and one from ARE. Can't say I notice much difference between the 2 of them.

Jerome

Thank you for all your kindness. Marie is a lovely rose and such a great fragrance. Nothing smells better and healthy, thornless, repeat is constant.

About Mrs. B.R. Cant, she takes a long time to hit her stride and good pruning is imperative. Put her in some shade. She will do better but she is not going to bloom constantly in shade, but the blooms do much better. She faces east and gets morning sun and afternoon shade secondary to her being near a tree and the shed. In open area west-facing, she was not all she could be. Fortunately, she got taken out of the ground with a tornado and moving her and pruning her did the trick.

You mean I need to plant her a tree? Well, she's in luck because a young scarlet oak is coming along in the area. Another 10 years....Balling is the oddest thing. There is no predicting what makes it happen. I have two E. Veyrat Hermanoses, and the one in the shade balls almost not at all. Mrs. B. R. Cant gets a pass for one more season. It is a big, healthy, leafy plant, certainly big enough to prune, 8 feet wide, windblown like a coastal cypress. I'll have at it and reduce the twiggy stuff to see if that produces fewer buds, some that actually open instead of hundreds that don't.

Hello again and thanks for all of the responses! This turned into quite an interesting thread! Sorry to take so long to reappear- my husband needed my laptop for work so I've been without it for a few weeks.

WOW is all I can say about Marie Pavie! I'm sold!! Thanks so much for sharing that Patricia!! Your yard is beautiful!

Berndoodle- Thanks for the info on Mons Tiller and the suggestion of Georgetown Tea. I think the 2 different roses would look great in a hedge, then I read ARE's Guide to Antique Roses and they recommend only using one variety. I know I'm tempting Murphy's Law... :)

Anniesbriars- Thanks, I was thinking of putting a row of BPKOs in front of the tea hedge to cover naked knees, but now I think I will go with Marie Pavie instead! KOs are so common here I just want something else if I can get away with it. I have a few BPKOs at my house and they are good landscape plants.

Sandy- So your Mrs BRCants are from Ashdown then? Mine is from Chamblees, so I'm a little worried now! Thanks for your input- I think we must have similar tastes in roses, from reading some of your other posts too. Good to know your Mrs BRCant hedge is doing well. You must post pictures when you can!! :)

Thanks to everyone else also! Very interesting about the different experiences (and clones?) of Mrs BRCant. I wish mine were old enough to judge. It's only bloomed once and the blooms did ball/crisp so I haven't experienced the magic yet. I'm still hopeful though... :)

Does anyone else have an opinion of Georgetown Tea as a hedge? It is an Earthkind rose, so that's a bonus! What if I had a row of GT then a row of Marie Pavie in front (pruned to 3' each spring)? I will prob get MP from ARE as I understand they have a good fragrant clone. Can anyone recommend a source for a good clone of GT?

Happy 4th everyone!!

Kristin in Atlanta

I'm going to give my Mrs. BRs until next spring to get a little size to them, and then I'll post some pictures. She still won't be mature then, but if she keeps growing the way she is now she'll still give you a good idea. Most of my bushes are 3ft by 3ft already, and they've only been in the ground since May! I do have a couple that I call the "runts", but they are very healthy and growing well too.

I, too, am curious about Georgetown tea, as I need a nice speciman bush for a spot, something a little different than Mrs. BR

Sandy

Sandy- great, I can't wait to see your MrsBRCant hedge in its' spring glory!! I really hope that mine does well- it is sitting there now, not doing much (growing roots?) at under 2' by 2'. It's probably about a year old.

My only mature tea is the Duchesse and she just had major die-back from the easter freeze (probably not an issue for you!) so she's not looking great. Normally she's beautiful. I'm sure you'll get lots of great suggestions on a specimen tea from others here. I'll be watching that thread too! :)

Kristin

Pat, your garden is to die for! Wow! I love your Marie Pavie hedge too. I was going to suggest LaMarne, as was discussed on another post, but that does take the cake.

dainty bess and golden wings. i know may not meet all requirements, but my favorites together and very floriferous and hardy and bs resistant.

Kristin, you may want to try an experiment with your Mrs. BR Cant. As I think I mentioned, I have a couple of Mrs. BRs in that hedge that are/were "runts", although just as healthy as the others. I sprayed Messenger about a week ago, and now the runts are starting to put out some new growth. They may have been busier growing roots than their sisters, but it's reassuring to see SOME new growth finally!

Sandy