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A Rose to Replace Reve d'Or

I haven't made up my mind completely that this rose has to go but it doesn't seem very happy against the house wall in my hot, dry climate. Also, the rose color tends to blend into the color of the house wall a little too much. On this same wall at the opposite end I have a new plant of Cl. Lady Hillingdon and, further down, Aunt Margy's rose, a lavender pink polyantha that has decided to be a climber. I'm not fond of the apricot/salmon/orange range, Reve d'Or being an exception, and would prefer pink, lavender or purple, although the latter two generally don't do well in my dry heat. I already have Cl. Pinkie elsewhere and also need something that won't billow out from the house wall too much. Clair Matin I had but in my climate it was salmon and I gave it to a friend who loved it. I don't know whether any of the Austins that have a climbing tendency would like the dry heat, even though this spot does get late afternoon shade.

Many roses that tolerate the heat well seem to do better where there's more humidity, which seems to actually increase the petal count and help the rose to grow. That's something that's only occurred to me lately when I saw other specimens of Reve d'Or like Sherry's that's no older than mine but is humongous and covered with full, lush flowers.

Any and all ideas are welcomed; I'm at a bit of a loss on this one.

Ingrid

Comments (16)

  • 15 years ago

    We are not as hot as you, but do have 4-5 months per year with no rain, and high temps do get into the high nineties frequently, and low 100s on occasion.

    There has been a bush of Duchesse de Brabant growing in my garden forever - we think it is at least 80-90 years old. It grows and blooms without much care at all. My plant is a freestanding bush about 7-8 feet tall and 8 feet wide. Up until very recently it was basically growing inside of another rose bush, and has put on size since that one died. I do think you could easily train it as a climber. I have seen DdB on "Earth Kind" lists of roses that thrive without any spraying in Texas, where of course it gets plenty hot.

    Flowers are a lovely pale pink, with a cupped form.

    Jackie

  • 15 years ago

    It's a mildew magnet in much of SoCal -- but that might not be a problem in Ingrid's conditions.

    Jeri

  • 15 years ago

    Not an antique, but I love my new 'Purple Splash' climber. Bloom-bloom-bloom, even as a new climbing rose, which is rare. Spotless, too.

  • 15 years ago

    I have Duchesse de Brabant, and unfortunately for me it also mildews, especially this year. I can't quite picture it as a climber, though, and here it hasn't grown very large compared to other teas.

    Thanks for mentioning Purple Splash, hoovb, I'll be looking it up on HMFR.

    Any more suggestions, please?

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    Oooh, Ingrid, Purple Splash looks perfect for you! Cliff grows it in the desert, so that must be good.

    Thankfully, I can offer no suggestions from my garden since we are spared your temps. :))

    Sherry

    Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

  • 15 years ago

    In Oakland, California "Crepescule" doesn't bleach quite as badly here as Reve d'Or in the summer.
    I've espaliered "Mermaid" against the side of my house. It is a thorny monster which is why I've espaliered it to keep it much smaller.
    The deep green foliage of Ca "Lamarque" makes a lovely contrast with its white roses that turn yellow in cooler weather.
    Luanne grows "Clementina Carbonieri" to good effect on the side of her house beside "Belle Storey"\

    Luxrosa

  • 15 years ago

    I'm afraid Purple Splash didn't ring my chimes, although the reality may be different than the pictures on HMFR. I've had Crepuscule in the past but for me it was quite bushy and I'm not sure it would do well more or less flat against a wall.

    I've had Mermaid in the past and that rose seriously scares me. Rebloom also wasn't that great for me and the color again wouldn't stand out very well against the cream walls. Same goes for Lamarque, which is lovely, but I believe also really huge. Clementina Carbonieri is beautiful but fried her little heart out in my garden. I'm thinking of buying some plastic plants and draping them artistically against my wall. No falling leaves for at least five years!

    Seriously, thank you for your suggestions. It just occurred to me that perhaps one of the larger Bourbons might be something to try. I have some of the smaller Bourbons, including the SdlM clan, and they do quite well for me. I wonder if Mme. Isaac Pereire or Mme. Ernest Calvat might consent to live on my wall. The fragrance at least would be magnificent.

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    Last spring I planted Mme. Isaac Perrier in an area with some afternoon shade. I think that the partial shade is key for this rose as the blooms are lasting well on the bush and the color is intense.
    Surprisingly while she is supposed to be BS prone I've not seen any yet.
    Just my 2 cents...but keep in mind that our weather conditions are totally different.
    Jeannie

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks for the info Jeannie. I think no matter what I try it will be an experiment with no guaranteed outcome, but that's true for many of us. I would think MIP's blooms would last better in your cooler, more humid climate but in point of fact tea and noisette blooms don't last very long for me either.

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    Hi, Ingrid -
    Espaliering a rose really does help keep it within bounds. I've done that with Lyda Rose (maybe it will get too big at some point, but at year 4 it's still manageable and oh so beautiful trained against a fence).

    We grow Lady Waterlow on a south-facing granite mausoleum at the cemetery. It's a brutally hot setting, and the canes have sunburned some, but its large medium pink blooms hold up well, and it's very beautiful. HMF says its salmon-pink but I don't see much yellow in its color. There are a couple of photos of the cemetery rose on HMF.
    Anita

  • 15 years ago

    Thank you Anita! The picture that Jeri took of this rose at the cemetery is beautiful and it certainly looks more pink than salmon. Certainly a rose to consider.

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    Ingrid, I don't have any suggestions as to a rose for you - I just wanted to say that I think a purple one or a cool pink would play off Lady Hillingdon beautifully, colorwise.

    Laura

  • 15 years ago

    Ingrid - I know you are not keen on HTs, but I absolutely love my cl. Aloha and she does wonderfully in our dry heat. She is a gorgeous soft but not pale shade of pink, has gloriously formed blooms that keep their form and color beautifully. She has one of the must luscious sweet fragrances of any of my roses. The photo at dusk makes her out to be a bit darker (but not much) than she is in actuality. I would recommend her highly.

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  • 15 years ago

    harmony, it's so uncanny; I came across Aloha on an on-line nursery site today and really gave this rose some thought. Your description has sold me! I think this rose would be perfect for my spot and it's beautiful. I love the fact that it's fragrant and it appears to have some substance to the flowers. Colorwise it will go very well with the tea roses that are on the other side of the path which include Le Vesuve, Mrs. Dudley Cross and Alexander Hill Gray.

    Laura, I thought it was interesting that you mentioned a cool pink rose as looking great on that wall and along comes harmony with that very rose! It's my lucky day.

    Thank you so much, and also thanks to everyone on this thread who participated in my quest. You're the greatest.

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    Ingrid, have a look on 'James Galway',a magnificent, tall Austin Rose, good to be espaliered in my opinion. It has a little stiff canes, but they have only few thorns. Gorgeous blooms, very well scented, with silky petals, changing from peachy pink to an almost translucent lilac white.

    If you want to go for a "classic" rose, I can suggest 'Z�ph�rine Drouhin', or one of her related, 'Kathleen Harrop'; or 'Martha', which is especially beautiful, with her purple new growth and pink blooms, with a slight peach hint in their centers.
    These roses doesn't seem to suffer too badly for diseases in a hot, dry climate.

  • 15 years ago

    Maurizio, thank you so much for your input. For some reason, perhaps its poor rebloom, the Zephirine Drouhin group holds no great appeal to me. A friend has ZD, and the scent is really wonderful, but the flowers themselves don't seem very memorable.

    James Galway I hadn't considered although I've always admired its beauty, and I'll research it further. Grazie!

    Ingrid