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Did I mess up?

18 years ago

I have been on a winter sowing binge the last few days. This is my first year and I'm excited to get started early. I read the FAQ's and any packet that said to soak, stratify, or sow in the fall I planted. I checked some of the lists in the FAQ's and read other people's posts. So, I went ahead and did some flats. They were germinating and doing great (although there seems to be a stall in new containers sprouting now--there for a while it was something new everyday). I understand the increasing ventilation and they'll be ok if we get a cold snap (which I know is coming). I went back and read some of the FAQ's again and the seed lists and realized that some of the stuff that I've sown are on the spring and summer sow list. Some are on several lists (like the lupine is on both the winter sow list and the spring/summer sow list). Some of the ones listed on the spring sow lists have started to germinate.

Here are my questions:

1) Did I make a mistake by sowing some of the stuff too early, or will they just be in the soil longer before they germinate? (I'm thinking that if they were in my yard and just fell off the plant, they would have been sitting in the ground all winter anyway. So, sowing them early just means that they will take longer to germinate when it warms up long enough)

2) When do you spring sow? Is it in the spring, ie at the end of march, or just before the last frost date? I think my average last freeze is around the middle to end of march. Should I start doing some of the annuals now?

Comments (10)

  • 18 years ago

    I noticed that no one answered your post alley, but I think it's because it would help if we knew what you think you sowed wrong.

    You're in 7b so the Zone 7 posters should be able to help you.

  • 18 years ago

    Lets keep this toward the top so it doesnt disappear! I wish I could help with some advice,but I cant so I will help like this! :)

  • 18 years ago

    If you did sow something that should have been Spring sown, and you have germination, if a cold spell comes around, you could always give them a little more protection, aka blanket, unheated garage, etc.

  • 18 years ago

    I have a theory that seeds are pretty darn smart little guys.

    If they've sprouted for you already, and are going through a few cycles of warm, then cold, they could benefit from you babying them a little with extra blankets, or shade cloths. They won't necessarily die, just because it's cold again. It just depends if they're hardy types.

    If they were annuals (die every year) you should probably put them in the warmest part of your garden and blanket them at night.

    I planted a lot of things like crazy in the Fall directly into the garden, in our mild 7 zone. They all put out green leaves (parsley, Chinese vegetables, greens ...)

    Even though we've had a few light snows, I think these plants will be the first to re-emerge in the early Spring.

    Still, I'm planning to wait until next month to start fast-growing greens and annuals.

  • 18 years ago

    Your seeds will sprout when they are ready. Sowing them early is usually ok. You'll likely get most of them to sprout and grow just fine.

    I winter sowed all of my perennial and annual seeds in January the first year I started wintersowing. They were fine. I didn't have many melampodium sprouts, but they're tough to get going anyway. Last year, my scarlet runner beans didn't sprout, so I just sowed another batch. I think they got too soggy. Most seeds did well though.

    You could give any early tender sprouts some extra protection if you get an unexpected cold spell.

  • 18 years ago

    The above is just what I would have given for advice - you did good - keep an eye on the tenders...

    Carrie

  • 18 years ago

    It's normal to have a wave of sprouts and then a 'stall', and then along comes another wave, etc. You will also find that you will get sprouts and then those sprouts will seemingly stop to grow, and then when you get another little warm-up, they will put on another growth spurt, and then if the weather cools then they slow down again, etc.

    One thing some of us have noticed is that when there is a little cold and the sprouts slow down in growth above the soil, they are then concentrating on the growth of the roots. As time goes on and you start transplanting you will find that the root system of your winter sown plants are really amazing for the 'above soil' size of the plant itself!

    In regards to spring and summer sown seeds being sown in the winter, I wouldn't worry. In my first few years I would winter sow everything and I must say most seeds did sprout. Sometimes I was happy that somethings didn't sprout since I always had more than enough. I did learn that such things as Zinnias, Cosmos, Morning Glories and others will not survive a hard frost in my neck of the woods. So I start those later - late April/early May or sometimes later.

    Winter sowing is something you learn as you go in terms of what seeds will make it when. I can assure you that most will do very well for you. You are in an enviable zone - at least I consider it as such. Have fun!

  • 18 years ago

    You are in zone 7b...you could start any seed you wanted, probably any time you wanted without any fear :)

    I normally use the method of starting with my earliest bloomers and perennials and work my way down to warm summer stuff (zinnias). It works for me, but a lot of people sow their's alphabetically and get great results too :)

    Lisa

  • 18 years ago

    Ok, here is what I have:

    Red hot poker (just starting to sprout)
    giant coneflower (several containers--no sprouts--started Jan 10th)
    day lilly
    yellow esperanza
    gaillardia (also several containers--no signs)
    tickseed-coreopsis (started to sprout)
    butterfly bush-buddelia (or however it is spelled--sprouted a while ago, but slow growing)
    foxglove--sprouting
    columbine--no signs
    shasta daisy--my first sprouts
    chinese lanterns--starting to sprout
    red flower yucca--nothing
    lantana--nothing
    canna lily--have 2 sprouts
    balloon flower--have sprouts
    rose of sharon--nothing
    desert willow--tons of sprouts
    larkspur--tons of sprouts
    lupine--getting 2nd or 3rd leaf already
    datura and double white datura--getting some sprouts
    pomegranate--nothing
    clerodendron--nothing
    cleome--nothing
    starting 2/18:
    california poppy
    marigold
    columbine
    alyssum
    canterbury bells.

    Some of the lasts I know shouldn't have sprouted, I just did them about a week ago.
    My lupines (the first set) are my biggest and have the most leaves. I'm not generally worried about the seedlings not getting bigger as I know they are probably working on the roots as mentioned earlier (and my philosophy in gardening is: if it is green, it's not dead. Not dead is good. And, all the seedlings are green at the moment.) I have been taking the lids off them during the very warm (up to the high 60's, some 70's) day and putting the lid back on at night (where it gets to the 30 and 40's). I also have them in a container and next to the house in a little cove to hopefully shield them from the winds. For the past several years, we've had very warm February's (or is it februaries?) and then a cold march.
    I was just wondering if I sowed some of the stuff too early. I have my sprouted's in one spot, so it should be easy to put a blanket over them if I need to.

  • 18 years ago

    Marigold will die from frost, but I wouldn't worry about them until they actually sprout.

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