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Maggie...

19 years ago

Anybody else have a Maggie that is a weenie? Mine has been in her location for nigh on 3 years, and is still about 2 feet high. She has 3 whole canes and is one puny-looking bush - I am strongly considering relocating her sorry behind to the wild blue backyard! She is next to a Bon Silene and a Duchesse de Brabant who are going like gangbusters... Rod Stewarts song aside, Maggie may be history!

Comments (21)

  • 19 years ago

    my Maggie has done the same thing - when I was in Texas a few weeks ago she didn't look any bigger. Sometimes I think we just get bad clones.

  • 19 years ago

    I've not heard of Maggie being a weenie. Mine grew over my head in one season. It got pretty badly whacked in our late spring freeze because it leafs out so early so is struggling a bit this year. Maybe you just got a weak clone. Mine is from ARE.
    Here's a pic from last year.

    {{gwi:220288}}

  • 19 years ago

    I have the two foot high, 4 foot wide version. Mine has a terrible case of downy mildew, probably always will, although the only symptoms appear to be cane spots.

  • 19 years ago

    Mine has been in the pot ghetto for a year or two, foggy memory. She definitely falls into the weanie category. I was looking at her yesterday and wondering if I'm going to have to replace her. I definitely want this one but I want a good clone.

  • 19 years ago

    Mine was here for a decade or more. Never got over about 3 ft. Had the worst case of downy mildew I've ever seen, and finally started dying, one cane at a time. It was painful to watch.

    Jeri

  • 19 years ago

    Here's a pic of mine in its third year from a cutting. It reached the top of the 7 foot pyramid in its first year. Knowing what I know about this rose I'd definitely give her another chance maybe in another location. If that doesn't work maybe get another specimen.
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  • 19 years ago

    The thing about the one foot tall version is, it isn't like it's taking up a lot of room that could be used for something else. When it is totally engulfed in chrysanthemums, I expect it to disappear on its own.

  • 19 years ago

    Mine is the garden hogging version. Six years and I've whacked her frontside back to fit her spot near a path. The backside of her I've let go and she is growing up into a doublefile viburnum and blooming up 12-14 feet in the tree. I can't remember for sure but mine probably came from Chamblee's.

  • 19 years ago

    I'll tell you -- I suspect this is a rose that simply does its best in a warm climate.
    Maybe, if I were to plant it NOW, it might do better -- our climate is warmer and dryer than it used to be. But I realized long ago that not every rose -- even not every GOOD rose -- is going to grow happily in the conditions I offer.
    If they don't want to live here, that's OK. I'll plant something else.

    Jeri

  • 19 years ago

    Maggie is in her second year in my garden, though I moved her in March of this year into her current location. She is about 3' by 4' and blooms constantly. My climate is definitely warmer than Jeri's (or warmer than it once was), so she may be correct in that Maggie likes warmer climates. I would not be without her, especially since my Corgi's name is Maggie.

  • 19 years ago

    The Autumn 2006 issue of ROSE MUNDI (Journal of the Heritage Rose Foundation) contained a lengthy & fascinating article entitled 'Maggie -- A Rose Mystery' by Greg Lowery. The article contains a considerable number of intriguing aspects, one of which is that Maggie appears to be identical to Kakinanda Red, a rose that is widely grown in India & frequently used there for ceremonial purposes. Based on that possibility alone, it would appear that Maggie might be more at home in warmer climates. (In fact, Lowery concludes that Maggie and Kakinanda Red are the same rose.)

    Another of Lowery's interesting observations was that growing conditions account for significant variations in Maggie's appearance (thorniness, bush size, flower color, & leaf color/shape/length).

  • 19 years ago

    Sorry, the name of the journal is ROSA MUNDI (not Rose Mundi)

  • 19 years ago

    Maggie's a popular girl around my area. There are several area specimens and they are definitely not weenies.

    Randy

  • 19 years ago

    When I'm in the market for a replacement, now I know I'll just head over to Hamp's place with a crane.

  • 19 years ago

    I remember that John_W in Minnesota had an own-root "Maggie" that died to the ground every winter, then managed to get back to five feet each year. Maybe he can say what its eventual fate was, but although Minnesota gets hot in the summer, it's not a protracted heat like the South gets. YMMV, I'd try another plant.

  • 19 years ago

    Interesting note re: Maggie and warmth. Each year my 4 x 4
    'Maggie" blooms beautifully in the Spring and Fall. And when the hot arid summer weather is about to hit, the leaves curl up and stay curled until the fall weather kicks in. I usually exhibit it in the fall, but never have showable foliage, so it appears in English boxes, or floating in a bowl, rarely in a scent category (at the end of the season). It could be that the heat required is a humid heat as opposed to a dry one. In any case, the leaves curled up about ten days to two weeks ago, and here we are with triple digit weather through the Fourth of July. BTW, the scent is very similar to the scent of Baron Edmund de Rothschild--to me it has an old wine or port scent. However, judges rarely care for it, so I have never won a fragrance category with it. I also have a seedling of 'Maggie, with two inch lilac pink blooms with crimson edging; I am in the process of seeing whether it is sustainable in terms of rooting cuttings, etc. I doubt I will market it since it is a little stingy with bloom so far. JimD

  • 19 years ago

    wow--old blush, your Maggie doesn't resemble the two I had in any way--they sulked and declined--just a few blooms each season --I confess I shovel pruned them--they were definitely using up space I needed for other bushes--I loved the scent and color whenever a bloom came along

    where did you obtain your bush? I bought my 2 from a local nursery--the blooms appeared correct for Maggie.

    pat

  • 19 years ago

    Wow, Linrose and Oldblush- beautiful pictures!! Where did you get your Maggies? I have 2 brand new ones from Ashdown that are much bigger than I expected them to be when they arrived a few weeks ago! Fingers crossed that they turn out like yours. I have high hopes for this rose and LOVE the fragrance!!

    Kristin

  • 19 years ago

    I have MAGGIE. Got her from my friend Olga. I will say that Maggie is one tough cultivar, at least here in Maryland. If I didn't keep wacking her back she would easily grow to monsterous proportions. Right now she is 6x5. Big buxom rose. The light red to cerise-pink flowers are pretty but lack that certain "quality" that I look for. The form is lovely - deeply cupped like most Bourbons but the crimped petals ruin what would otherwise be a sumptious bloom. The strong fragrance is to die for. Very sweet and girly, which suits the rose to perfection. Disease resistance is good. Not a candidate for no spray gardens but a good choice for those who spray infrequently.

    Maggie stays for now. At least until I can find a rose with similar vigor, color and fragrance but with more comely flowers. Perhaps YOLANDE D'ARAGON?

  • 19 years ago

    My Maggie is from ARE, its disease resistance has been good so far in my no spray garden. This year however with the "big freeze" it did suffer, and as Anne had predicted, has had more BS this year. However, I'd not be without it and it has a prime spot near my deck and pergola and backyard gate. It is in a mixed bed with lilies, beebalm, daylilies, and salvia at her feet. As you can see in the photo I have a white clematis with her and Awakening next to her on the other side of the pergola. So I tolerate the bareness because so much else is going on around her and she refoliates and blooms so quickly. I couldn't ask more of such a graceful and lovely rose.

  • 19 years ago

    I have a big Maggie and a little one. The big one is one of the best blooming roses I have...big flushes and not much down time. It needs spraying. The other Maggie is in a dry location and is about 2' tall. It has the same DNA as the other Maggie ( a cutting) but doesn't like its spot. Barely blooms. Wouldn't be without my big Maggie but am going to sp the little one and grow a succulent in that spot.
    Linda