Thank you! This discussion was what I had hoped would follow from my own thread. I guess I worded it poorly because only 2 people actually discussed their experiences with Noisette roses.

I have:

Narrow Water, young plant which shows quite some promise. Blooms a lot, grows in crappy soil in scorched corner, foliage clean and green, lovely rose.

Blush Noisette - planted this spring, did not grow more than a few inches, had a few blossoms, maybe it still has to settle.

Aimée Viber - so far also young plant with two canes, planted this spring, did not bloom yet, but grew some bit.

Crépuscule - another young one, grew actually quite a lot, did not bloom yet though. I know that Crep is doing fine in a friend's garden a few miles away, so hopefully mine will catch up, especially since it was planted a bit wrong to begin with, then I moved it to the pot.

Desprez à Fleur Jaune - planted last spring, so far refuses to really grow, but I think I saw blossom developing.

Madame Alfred Carrière - planted this spring, so far mildew disaster, hopefully will grow out of it.

Gloire de Dijon - some classify him as noisette, he is actually one of the better roses in my garden, also he bloomed for me in the previous garden in shade (garden was shaded by a big tree, no direct sunlight whatsoever).

Madame Alfred Carriere - "trying to grow up a tree in partial shade". If it grows like mine does, STAND BACK! We planted one in what I would call almost deep shade at the bottom of a tree. Actually, it was in a sort of forest in a corner of our yard - generations of volunteer plum, fig, and ornamental cherry trees, with an under story of all sorts of old garden plants gone wild.

Well, within 12 months MAC had taken itself 10 feet up that plum tree. Now it has made it to the canopy of our little forest (over 20 feet up) , and blooms in waves starting in March. In December it usually still has flowers on it. I do not give it any care except some water if it gets really hot in the summer, and a handful of food in the Spring if I remember. Some of its long canes have fallen into other nearby trees, and it is climbing up them, too.

I was so happy with this behavior that I planted 2 more in VERY DEEP shade in the 2 foot space between our garage and the solid 6' fence. They took 2 years to get up to where there was some light (most roses would have just given up and died, which is what the other two non-MAC ones I planted there did). Then they took off. One grew into a nearby pine tree, and is massive. The other one grew over the top of our garage, and now covers about half of the roof.

So, if you want a "no care" rose that will take care of itself and bloom and bloom, and survive shade, I recommend it. It would probably be good if you are a sort of "relaxed" (read lazy?) gardener, who is not to compulsive about wanting rose bushes to look tidy and neat all of the time - MAC flops around all over the place. Of course, I assume you could train it and carefully prune it and so forth, but I do not.

Jackie

MAC: My problem with MAC (tho we grew her for years) was that she mildewed just a little here, most of the time. Just enough mildew to annoy me.
LAMARQUE: I vastly prefer the foliage of Lamarque, which is glossy and clean here -- and to be honest, I love the faint yellow at the heart.

YELLOW TEA-NOISETTES:

I love 'em. But we don't get CONSISTENT heat, so they struggle a bit here.

DUCHESSE d'AUERSTADT is a large bush here. And it balls.
CREPUSCULE refuses to grow here at all, as did MARECHALE NIEL.
JAUNE DESPREZ: After failing twice, the one we bought quite by accident is doing very well. Terrific foliage, gracefully covering an arbor at a nice pace, lovely blooms. Looks like working up to good bloom quantity, and the fragrance is to die for.
REVE d'OR: A visitor asked why we had three of this, and the answer was: Because it is so good here. I love this rose. For our conditions, it has everything.

OTHERS:

GEORGETOWN NOISETTE: Was just never happy here, and may have passed to its Final Reward. But if it grows for you, its pale pink, cupped blooms are wonderful.
MANCHESTER GUARDIAN ANGEL: I could not, in the end, deal with the rampant growth, and vicious prickles. Also, it mildewed here.
SETZER NOISETTE: One of the minor sports of Blush Noisette, it grows as a very mannerly, narrow climber, perfect for an arbor or pillar. It blooms continuously, is very fragrant, and has no disease here.
ROSEVILLE NOISETTE: Little known foundling -- unknown if it is a Blush Noisette sport or -- something else. It has all the virtues of B.N., but can be grown in a large-ish container. That gets it up to smelling range. It's REALLY a dwarf.

Jeri

Jeri, your conditions are a mild summer temperature with fog, little rain. Is that right? And that's what Reve d'Or thrives on? as well as Setzer N and Roseville N.

and gave MAC mildew? but Reve d'Or does really well in the hot summer temps in Sacramento, too, doesn't it?

and I guess Manchester GA and Georgetown N need higher summer temps and that's why they didn't do well? or do you think they like a more acidic soil? I know your soil is alkaline, from past postings.

Elmire, your conditions are mild winters, coastal influence, summers in the 70-80's F? I wonder if you're not similar to where I am in the PNW.

Jacqueline, I'm guessing that MAC likes heat, but I know it's also labeled a tea noisette, so I would expect it would like heat from the tea influence.

I'm surprised the MAC I have hasn't mildewed, to tell you the truth. It's very cool, few days as high as 80 and back down into the 40-50's at night. But not really rainy, just overcast.

I'm just trying to figure out if there are any particular climates that some noisettes will do well in. I mean, I'm zone 8a, but not hot. Teas struggle here. If I grow noisettes, I'd like some that like cooler summer temps and not require a hot spot.

I have Climbing Devoniensis, which Peter Beales classes as a close relative to the noisettes. It is suffering badly with mildew. I am hoping it will grow out of it.
Madame Alfred Carriere, which is planted in deep shade under a plum tree. It has not flowered yet, and is a bit etiolated.
Aimee Vibert, which is climbing another plum tree, but in much better light. She is much later flowering than most other roses, but is now coming into full flower. She has put on a lot of growth since being planted just a few months ago. At first, I was not sure if I liked her unusual perfume, but I have now come to love it.
Blush Noisette, of which I can only say, WONDERFUL.
Daisy

Daisy, can you describe your climate - very warm summers, very mild winters, very dry?

Harborrose, my climate is indeed coastal, we get winters somewhere around 30F, sometimes dropping as low as 10F for a couple of days. Summers kind of depends, we usually get rather dry and hot June, then around mid July some rains start, but normally it lingers around 70-85F. It depends though if it is windy or not, because if it isn't, it can jump up to 90+, especially on South side. We also usually get very long mild autumn, which is good for late repeat and some cane maturing.

The dry soils (when watering is inadequate, as it often is - particularly here in the PNW where "it rains all the time") combined with the summer dews or fogs of west coast summers are perfect for mildewing of susceptible kinds of plants.

I have more Noisettes than any other class of rose..
Haynesville Pink Cluster is growing on the fence and has a western exposure and seems to do very well.
This one seems to love the heat..the flowers are almost white, and I don't think I have really noticed the fragrance. I love it because if its vigor.

Redoute's Red is in a bed where it gets morning sun, and is in shade for the afternoon. It is by a rose that hogs the bed..I plan to move it in the fall.

Jeanne de Arc is in too much shade and it is going to be moved too, a long with Secret Garden Noisette.

Duchesse de Grammont is a marvelous rose and it gets a lot of sun, afternoon and morning and is doing Great! I adore
this rose, because of the flower, it is a lovely pink.

Natchiotches Noisette is in too much shade..it is too large to move so I am going to trim the tree that is by it, to give it more light.

Madame Alfred Carriere is growing up a tree and it is in a fair amount of shade and doing well.

Narrow Water is in too much shade..it still blooms a fair amount but...flowers are a pretty, frilled pink and I love the scent.

Champneys gets morning light and doesn't seem to be real happy...need to move it, but where?

Mary Washington likes where it is which is very close to Champney's but....I like this rose because of its size and shape..and it has nice blooms too.

Camilla Rose seems to love where it is planted. Has an eastern exposure but it also gets so afternoon sun..it is climbing a tree.

Fewell's Noisette is in a corner of the front where it gets morning light but also afternoon, seems happy.

Bouquet tout Fait is in a pot..need to find a place for it in the ground. Pretty flower and it smells great!

Nastarana is under a tree that it is climbing and it seems happy,this rose will always have a place in my garden..it may be the rose of mine that has the best fragrance.

The Charlestonian is also in a pot until I can decide where to plant it. I have had this rose before and the fragrance is wonderful (as it is with many of the Noisettes)

Moulton Noiseete is in a pot too. It smells like honeysuckle and is usually (for me) a clear white.

Blush Noisette is in a spot in the back yard..it is one of my first Noisettes and it has a wonderful fragrance.

Celine Forestier is growing on a fence in the back, where it gets morning light and afternoon...it blooms a lot and seems to like its spot. I love it because of the color of the flowers..don't remember much about the fragrance.

Good Shepherd This rose has become overwhelmed by Cecille Brunner (who hasn't?) I still see flowers but they are on top of the fence, not sure what I am going to do to this one. Lovely white color.

Silver Appleyard Noisette pretty rose with a nice fragrance.
I am in North Texas and in zone 7 or is it 8? We get hellishly hot summers....and winters are not much (usually) we usually have a week or more of really cold days, and last year we had a fair...

Gean -- No, I don't know why Manchester Guardian Angel was mildewy here. It wasn't REAL mildewy, just a little. But the mother plant grows practically at the ocean's edge, so I don't think it minded MY fog.
Maybe it hated my crummy water. Who knows?
But as to Reve d'Or, I hold it up as a wonderful example of adaptability. It's great here in Fog-Ville, but magnificent in hot hot Sacramento:
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The same is true of Setzer, and of Roseville.

Had I space, I'd try Georgetown Noisette again. It was lost to a canker, but I did like it.
I'd like to try Moulton Noisette, too. My family came from right around where it was found. Or, at least, they were there after Charleston, and before Alabama and Texas.

Jeri

that's some rose, Jeri

Yes, I think it is magnificent.

Jeri

harborrose. Yes, yes, and yes.
I have only been in Crete for almost two years. I am afraid that I never bother with the weather forecast, so I cannot tell you any temperatures.
So far the summers are hot, sometimes too hot to even sit outside in the shade. There is no rain.
The springs and autumns are warm to hot with some rain and lots of wild flowers. Wonderful!
The first winter I was here was chilly with a lot of rain. Snow was limited to the mountain tops.
This last winter was warmer but not so much rain. I was digging in the garden in January, in just my shots and tee-shirt, but then there were other days, when I was glad to sit inside beside the log fire.
The local people tell me that it sometimes snows down to sea level in winter, but I have not seen it myself yet.
The air is dry in summer. No black spot thank goodness.
There is more moisture in the air in winter, even when it isn't raining, but very little compared to my previous home which was in Cornwall, England. That was in the far south west corner of England, on the Atlantic coast, with perpetual moisture and rain coming in off of the ocean. Blackspot heaven! Even there, Madame Alfred Carriere and Blush Noisete did well.
Daisy

Hi Gean, you know my climate, hot and humid. All the noisettes I have love it and are in full sun.
Natchitoches Noisette: Great rose and carefree. Not a climber at all

Blush Noisette and Champneys' Pink Cluster both are very large shrubs after maturing but CPC is more leggy.

Crepuscule, love that rose, carefree and about to eat my house.

Fellemberg, gets a little black spot but healthy otherwise.

Celine Forestier, espaliered on an east facing wall. Also wants to eat my house.

MAC, is planted in morning shade. I wanted it to get established in some cherry and popcorn trees but it has been real slow.

I think that's all the noisettes I have.

I think mildew needs moisture and some warmth. There's not much warmth in Manchester.
Noisettes are tough. That's why I like them. I find they do better after they get established.
My summer conditions are mostly dry with occassional morning fog, temps between 80 and 90 mostly. My favorites are Blush Noisette and Rev d'Or(tea/noisette?).

If you like those two, you'd like "Setzer Noisette." Really, I don't think Reve d'Or can be beat for adaptability.

(And I think you're right on target with Mancester Guardian Angel. We probably get JUST enough heat to precipitate mildew.)

Jeri

MAC for it´s outstanding vigour and constant bloom is probably my favorite - froze to the ground in 2003 here (-20F for a week) but bounced back easily ... to cover an Arch. Love it for it´s versatility - a climber with support or with pruning it can be kept a bit in check - to form a stout bush.

Another Favorite is Madame Bérard' not as vigorous here as MAC - but a nice (Tea?) Noisette rose too.

Both roses gets a little Mildew here - MAC even some blackspot - but I forgive them for these flaws since they are such great garden plants ... opinion on fragrance vary ... I really like them!

Jeri, that pic of Reve d'Or is wonderful! I saw your your pics and comments on HMF of Setzer- that one seems like a good candidate for out here - also one I'll have to acquire through the cemetery sale. and Reve d'Or sounds like it's a winner for both hot and cooler temps. Thanks for your comments, I always appreciate your input.

bboy, I was amazed at how quickly the soil dries here. Still not sure why MAC is mildew free, under a tree, when Zepherine D is mildewed in sun. Maybe the lack of heat where MAC is planted is a factor; Zeffy, on the east side is also shaded, but has less airflow and def more heat. thanks for commenting.

Elmire, please keep us posted on how your noisettes do. I think prob our climates are fairly similar, so your experiences would prob pretty much mirror mine in the PNW. Maybe, I guess.

Melva, thank you so much for listing all of your noisettes and commenting on them. You have a lot of noisettes, and I'll bet they love the heat in north Texas. There are several I hadn't heard of before. Moulton sounds interesting, as I'd like a rose that smells like honeysuckle! The more I grow roses the more important fragrance becomes to me.

Daisy, thanks for commenting. Just based on where you are and the pictures you posted before of your neighborhood, it was easy to guess what your growing conditions were. Sounds wonderful; thanks for commenting.

Hamp, I don't know what a popcorn tree is, but I do know what a Natchitoches Noisette is, after seeing yours. That is some rose. I think it would probably hate it here, too, but maybe not, I don't know...

Pam, thank you for your comment about the heat. I think you might be correct about mildew requiring heat. So many people love Blush N and Reve d'Or!

Cup_shaped, thanks for your comments. I hope to love MAC too!

Buff, I hope you're there taking notes like I have been. Please chime in with questions and comments too. I was hoping you'd add your comments to this thread since we're both interested.

Thanks, everyone. Any other comments appreciated too. Gean

I'm in love with "Catos' Cluster" a lost and "found" Noisette that has beautifully formed roses that my neighbor reffered to as "the rose you grow that looks like a carnation", I think its prettier than any carnation I've seen. I'd grow it as a foliage plant even if it were not a rose, for the leaves are that attractive, and soft to the touch, and abundant. To my eyes it is the pleasantly soft to the touch. In my eyes it is the prettiest of all the pink Noisettes, and also has the gift of being quite fragrant. I grew it from a cutting, but vintagegardens has it in stock this month, July 2010.
I bought "Nastarana" after seeing it at the Berkeley Botanical garden where its scent reached me from several feet away, now I feel I must have "Narrow Water" (which my neighbor LUanne grows) to plant next to it, a pale pink rose with lavender tint to the edges.
I got rid of my "Blush Noisette" because of all the pink Noisettes it appears plain to me, its just how I feel, I don't want to hurt anyones feelings because I know it has a large fanbase.
I grew M.a.c. but it mildewed badly in my organic garden near Fogtown (San Francisco-in-the- summer) and am replacing it with "Lamarque" which thrives in the same neighborhood, without being sprayed.
Reve d'Or was more resistant to mildew, but it faded to nearly ivory in summer.
I just ordered "Marechel Niel" and "Celine Forestier" from roguevalleyroses and plan to grow them on an arbor at the front of my walkway with two vintage clematis if I can find them, Etoille de Violette and Daniel Deronda.
I know M.N. will probably only give me a couple to a few months of perfect bloom, it is a rose that likes more heat, but I couldn't resist, because in my eyes it is the most perfect yellow rose in the whole wide world.

Luxrosa
formerly of Emeryville, Ca... and now I'm residing at Atchinson Village a three minute walk from Luanne.
I finally bought a garden!!! and a house came with it.

Lux,

I looked up Cato's Cluster on helpmefind and they do not have a photo of it. Maybe you can submit one? I'm always looking up roses that are discussed on this forum.

Congrats on your new house; I'm willing to bet you will have a garden to-die-for!
Rooty

My Reve d'Or looked very pretty in the spring but now, even though it gets only morning sun, the leaves on it are continually dying from the heat. It still tries to bloom but it's struggling on the house wall, even though I give it more than ample water. Mrs. Wood's Lavender Pink Noisette mildewed in our very wet spring this year and now is suffering from the heat and residual mildew. Celine Forestier also had and still has some mildew. These are all young roses and hopefully they'll do better in the coming years. It's very hot and dry in the summer, with cool weather and rain in the winter. Because of some special circumstances the conditions are brutal for roses and many other plants and I often wonder why I bother to garden here, except that it's my passion and I keep hunting for roses that will do well here. So far I'm not sure that noisettes are the ideal rose for this area, but time will tell.

Ingrid

I don't think others in hot conditions should necessarily fear the problems you have -- with many of these roses.

Reve d'Or, for instance, is absolutely wonderful in Sacramento's heat, in sandy soil, with limited irrigation -- and experiences none of these problems.
I believe the same is true of Grandmother's Hat.
But of course, the two plants in the Cemetery there are mature plants. And that does make a difference.

Jeri

Here are some photos taken at the Leonie Bell Noisette Garden in Virginia by Kent Krugh. Pink Cato's Cluster is about mid-way down.

this is part of Kent Krugh's Woodland Rose Garden site. Great place to learn about roses growing in shade. hth, Gean

Here is a link that might be useful: Noisette photos

Incredible pics, Gean, of the Noisettes. Thank you for posting the link.

I grow Blush Noisette, and really like it. It reaches 4 feet tall here, so it stays compact. It's growing in a full sun location. Sometimes the blooms ball in damp weather, otherwise it does well.

I added Mme Alfred Carriere to the garden this spring, in a sunny spot.

Last year I added Annie Vibert, and Tutta's Pink Noisette to the garden. Tutta's looks like it will be vigorous. It has grown well this year even in partial shade.

Annie Vibert will probably not get as tall as Tutta's Pink, in my garden setting.

Here also is a cut from the Heritage Rose Foundation journal review of the book on noisettes that was referred to above.

Here is a link that might be useful: Book review from HRF on Charleston's Gift

They really are great photos, I think too, Krista. There are several there I'd like to grow. All three noisettes that I have are actually doing well; makes me want to add several others. Gean