questions about a unknown rose

17 years ago

I am a Chinese rose lover and often visit your website. I am writing to you because IÂ¡Â¯m kind of confused about some name of the roses.

I plant a China red rose named Zi Yan Fei Wu (ÃÃÃÃ Â·ÃÃÃ¨) in my garden. This is an old China rose, which has been found in many places in China. I also found a similar rose named Â¡Â°MaggieÂ¡Â± on another website. I couldnÂ¡Â¯t tell the difference by comparing the pictures and information between these two roses. Could you please help me tell whether they are the same kind? Thanks!

Here is the link of my rose Â£Âº

http://www.tbg.org.tw/~tbgweb/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=77&topic=325&show=0
And this is the link of Maggie Â£Âº

http://www.rosegathering.com/maggie.html

http://www.helpmefind.com/plant/pl.php?n=24814&tab=36

Looking forward to your answers. Thank you!

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Comments (5)

malcolm_manners
17 years ago
Your rose certainly does resemble "Maggie." But since roses tend to be variable based on the climate and conditions in which they're grown, it's not really possible, just from photos, to declare them to be identical. It would be interesting to compare them by DNA analysis, but of course, international plant quarantine laws make that difficult. I'll post a link here, to photos of Maggie in our garden, in Florida.

Here is a link that might be useful: My photos of Maggie in Florida
jerijen
17 years ago
This is not the only match.
A Chinese friend of ours has been corresponding with other Chinese Rosarians, and he has found several other roses that appear to be identical to European cultivars.

One is a dead ringer for Clothilde Soupert.
It seems not unreasonable to think that while roses were going from China to Europe, some may also have gone from Europe to China.
Why not?

Jeri
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sherryocala
17 years ago
Yueyuefen, it's interesting to me that in the USA 'Maggie' is called a "found" rose, meaning no one has been able to determine its original identity. Does the Chinese name 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' have an English translation? How long have you had your rose? Is it common in Chinese rose gardens? It would be interesting to find out more information about your rose in China. Are you a good detective? :)) I do think your rose looks very much like 'Maggie'.

Sherry
yueyuefen
Original Author
17 years ago
Sherry,Some one translate Zi Yan Fei Wu into english as Â¡Â°lavender swallow wings dancingÂ¡Â± .I think this is literal meaning .
This rose have been found in some places in china and a few Chinese rose lovers plant it .I have been planted this rose about one year. It Blooms in flushes throughout the season , strong fragrance.
I bought this rose from Shuyang in Jiangsu Provine. According to the seller this rose grows wild there for a long time Unfortunately now is disappering.
This rose have also been found in Japan
Here is the link in HMF http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.40462.0&tab=1

Yueyuefen
sherryocala
17 years ago
Yueyuefen, your links to HMF sent me wandering further. Rather exciting that your rose is on HMF. Hopefully, someone else will have more to say. Have you seen this rose linked below?

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Eugene E. Marlitt'