Paula, I hope your roses turn out wonderful! I love English roses, but they just need fatter conditions than we can get them here. Good choices, all of them.

Your post reminded me that I need to get busy with my fall orders. We just determined that we can take over another acre of our land for gardening. It's a scary thought, but necessary if I want to continue to buy roses, as we're pretty well full in our current piece of ground. My intentions, not yet expressed in the concrete form of an order, are to continue to expand my collection of Tea and China roses with an order from the French nursery Roseraie du Désert, now one of the principal European nurseries specializing in old roses for warm climates, and a large, heterogenous order of old roses from the Serbian nursery of Petrovic, largely on account of its excellent prices. A hole in my collection that will remain unfilled is the loss of several rare Gallicas that perished because of unsuitable conditions. I want to replace them but need a good place to put them: generally I find that Albas and Damasks do better in our clay soil, sun, and drought.

Aside from the land question, one reason I've been reluctant to start working on orders is that I'm hoping to get a lot of cuttings and start roses of my own. It's definitely a disincentive to pay twenty dollars for a rose if you believe you can have it in a year from a cutting received from another gardener. I need to continue getting my propagation beds in order. We've been reworking them, laboriously, into a more functional condition, with pavers laid neatly and with excruciating patience. I've been wilted with heat for the last few weeks, but the weather has cooled off and it's time to begin thinking of new plants and new plans.

Fall's coming!

Melissa

Rosefolly I have an entire bush of Bouquet d'Or to take cuttings from if you want them.

Lance

Near Ocala Florida is the little town of Newberry. I was fortunate enough to be able to travel to that area recently for my work.

Rose Petals Nursery is located there and an additional blessing was to meet in person two rose friends from the area; SherryOcala and Nova.

Susan (Nova) and I traded. I gave a lovely Francois Gualain for cuttings from five roses. The FG was from my RU order and had two plants in the one pot. They both did very well after separating them. The cuttings I received were Ms Atwood, Mons Tiller, Spice, Madame Lombard and Anna Olivier. They are all still green so things are looking good.

The roses I purchased were great. Seven dollars! for gallon pots and they were well rooted and all of a good size. Here's the list.

Quietness
Thomas Affleck
Jean Bach Sisley
Verdun
Reve d'Or
Pearl d'Or
Sweet Chariot
Papa Gontier
Marie Daley
Blumenschmidt
Baronne Prevost
Enchantress (Sherry's recommendation. Smaller, well leafed in her garden and a lovely darker tea.)

All in all, a lovely day.

With over a hundred rose varieties now, I think my attention shall turn to fort grafting, placement and maintenance.

Veronica

Hi, Rosefolly,
I enjoyed reading your list, especially the part about Tuscany Superb for Tom, your good man. Mine loves yellow in roses, so I have an area of yellow roses, trying to find those that will live happily no spray in muggy blackspot land.

For this fall, I am adding another pg hydrangea and trying a large white encore azalea to replace a rose that just doesn't get enough sun.

For roses, I'm trying some pinky purples, Lauren, a polyantha, Blue Mist, a mini and adding some more to my tea collection, Enchantress, Mme. Lombard and a china, White Pearl in Red Dragon's Mouth and Robin Hood, a red hybrid musk.

rosefolly, did you order from Austin? I have my CdC from there and it's beautiful. I do spray mine and it keeps it very clean from BS and the damask crud. On a warm sunny day, it's fragrance wafts 10 feet away. It's a little thorny, but a good repeat bloomer.

I love Austins. They are the best performers in my garden.

Melissa, I hope that when you get your plants from Roseraie du Desert and the Serbian nursery of Petrovic you will post some pictures on the forum. It would be so interesting to see what the European nurseries offer.

Laura

duchesse, I have two plants of Blue Mist, and I love these little roses, they're so cute and the foliage is wonderful. I also have Enchantress, and she had some lovely blooms earlier but the heat wave has affected her. I hope she recovers when and if it ever gets cool. I love hearing about the new things everyone is getting. I'm expecting Caldwell Pink, Apolline, Second Street Tea and Alexander Hill Gray at the end of September.

Ingrid

Ingrid, Caldwell Pink is a wonderful rose here; I hope you like it. I've been thinking about Alexander Hill Gray too and am excited about Enchantress. Thanks, Gean

Speaking of fall orders,Vintage is having a good sale right now. All our small nurseries are hurting and could use our orders to keep going. This is a good time to start new bands in my climate. I'll probably order a few and some hydrangeas too.

I'm getting Cramoisi Sup. for sure. Can't decide what else I have room for. Need a climber so I may get Don Juan too.

Veronica, just wanted to say that 'Thomas Affleck' has been a stellar performer in my garden. I hope you like yours. Very tough and healthy plant. Blooms all the time with no pampering needed. Mannerly grower too. I'm very impressed with its overall quality.

Duchesse, I love my "White Pearl in Red Dragon's Mouth". Hope yours does as well as mine has.

As for me, I don't think I'll order any roses for fall. I can't think of any new ones that I might like better than the ones I got this past spring.

Randy

Thanks for the info, Randy. I have lusted for him since I saw his portrait in the ARE catalog many years ago.

I urge anyone that can grow teas to get Alexander Hill Gray. Mine from the RU sale has given me about a dozen blooms already.

And they are not just another pale yellow/near white. Strawberry syrup drips festoon the large and perfectly formed blossoms of complicated swirls of ivory and buttercream. I am so looking forward to his cool weather attire.

thonotorose, your description of Alexander Hill Gray makes him sound absolutely scrumptious. I won't know whether to plant him or eat him! Seriously, I'm really looking forward to growing this rose after your wonderful description.

duchesse, I'm also glad to know that you really like Caldwell Pink. It confirms what a local rosarion told me recently, who said that CP was looking magnificent even in our heat wave when he registered temperatures of 104 and 107 at his home. Any rose that can withstand that has to be awesome.

Apparently Vintage will present its new roses in mid-September and that's what I'm waiting for. I just hope they'll feature the roses I'm interested in.

Ingrid

Laura,
Roseraie du Désert is owned by an English-American couple who have been busy for some years importing Teas and Chinas (perhaps also Noisettes) from the United States as well as well as everywhere else they can lay hands on them. When I think about what it costs to import roses from the U.S. I think the prices they charge for their roses (Â14, currently about $21) are very reasonable. They're also one of the few European nurseries I know that propagate their plants on their own roots. Reasonably, but unfortunately for me, they limit their activities to the (admittedly vast) family of warm climate roses. I would adore to know of a European nursery that carried the 'Radiance' family, and especially the Polyanthas related to 'Cécile Bruenner'. It seems to be the case that a number of American-bred roses have never made it back over the Atlantic. Another group are Hybrid Musks originating in the U.S.: I've been salivating over 'Bubble Bath' for some time now.
Melissa

I'm looking forward to some quiet time for planning for next year's planting! I planted Hansa, Henry Kelsey and Midnight Blue last weekend. Midnight Blue went in next to the Awakening climber at the base of my new arbor. I'm looking at adding Mountain Mignonette next to the Harlekin climber that's already in on the other side of the arbor. Ingrid, thanks again for your suggestions! Thonotorose, I planted a Baronne Prevost band early this summer and have been impressed with it. It's been very hardy with good bloom already. I love to hear your ideas for future plantings!

Paula, the Compte is a wonderful and very fragrant rose here in Richmond and I'm in agreement with Tom about Tuscany Superb--seems to require afternoon shade. In appearance of flowers it is not unlike the "Night Owl" which I just planted on an arbor twining with Mrs. Chomondalay.
Aunt Honey and Night were purchased from Northland Rosarium, and have grown like gangbusters in the few weeks they've been here as do the clems from Silverstar vinery.
From Vintage rosa chinensii Wilsonii (on account of my husbands last name--the thing grows 50 feet and we are petrified.)Also Charles Austin and Schropshire Lass.
From Ashdown's, Basye's thornless and Gold Busch.
From John Scheeper's bulbs, Black and Apricot Parrots,Green Wave, Menton, Dordogne,Big Smile and a couple of other favorites.Also a few dozen daffodils and narcissci of the zone 9 ilk, hoping that they'll return.
la

On my rendezvous with rose friends in Newberry I got Baronne Prevost (she apparently was a unanimous choice!) and Perle d'Or. Since I'm out of room, I definitely thought it was destiny that they wound up in my car. Hopefully, BP turns out to be more than a brief experiment.

When I got home, I responded in a panic to Ashdown's email. (Silly woman!) They haven't arrived yet, but I got:

Beauty of Rosemawr
Francois Juranville (He's supposed to rebloom here.)
Caldwell Pink Climbing
Two more Borderers
Etoile de Mai
Lady Ann Kidwell

The last four are smaller polyanthas so they'll fit in anywhere, right? I tried to get Dr. Grill but he was gone.

I also just received 4 double fans of evergreen reblooming daylilies from an Ebay seller in Kentucky. I hope they survive. The directions said don't plant in August. :(( But it was Sept 1st when I planted them.

Sherry

I'm looking forward to the Vintage fall offerings, too. There are a couple of roses I want for the back fence area that they have, but which are not in their currently propagated roses. If they offer them then, I'll get them.

That area is to be all big climbers and ramblers along with fruit trees and grapes. It's going to go to once a month watering once everything is established.

Rosefolly

Sherry, I fell in love with Francois Juranville when someone posted gorgeous pictures on the gallery. I know it's a fairly large rose. May I ask where you're thinking of planting it? This rose haunts me but I just don't know where I could put it. Unfortunately I don't have any fences to drape one over. Perhaps you're doing something I could emulate. By the way, great list of roses. I'm still lusting after Borderer, and it must be a great rose since you're ordering more.

Ingrid

Ingrid, that is the $64,000 question! Since it tolerates some shade, I was thinking of extending the "wall" trellis that I have Maman Cochet on. It would get sun until 2 or 3 o'clock. OR on the other "wall" trellis where E Veyrat Hermanos is rapidly claiming vertical real estate. OR on another arch in the backyard. OR arches down the east side path where my pots are, kinda like a tunnel. OR something vertical in the front circle, either swags around the circle or an arch above LeVesuve (nah, maybe not) or arches on both sides of the circle. I wish I could put an arch on the street side of the circle but that ground is road bed - awful stuff! Does the name Hanging Gardens of Babylon ring a bell? If I build it, they will come - no, they're already here! I would love to have room for a low fence. I bet you have lots of places to put vertical configurations that might even create some cooling shade for other roses.

So far Borderer is very low (maybe 6" or 8" tall), very green and about 2-1/2 feet across. The flowers are nice but not like the photo I've seen (yet), maybe 1-1/2 inches in the heat, in clusters, coral in color, blooming pretty steady and fairly flat. I planted it in November so it's going quite slow. It's not in a lot of sun either on the north side of the house. The big attraction for me is disease resistance. Considering how close to the ground it is, it should be BS city, but it's not at all. I figure I can pop 'em into the gaps.

Sherry

I was thinking of an area outside the back door, on either side of the broad walkway, since this gets full afternoon sun and some shade there would be welcome. I'm not sure though whether FJ would be happy there, although of course the main bloom would be in the spring. I was also thinking of ordering a Cl. Le Vesuve instead if I can find one. Is yours doing well?

Ingrid

Ingrid, I think Cl LeVesuve would be an excellent choice. Mine was just put in the ground a couple of weeks ago. It was very small when I got it from Ashdown (they no longer have any) and is now a small mound of a plant, putting on new shoots. Maybe you could email them.

Maman Cochet, Cl is good in my garden - that is, if you like instant roses.

Sherry

Thank you Sherry. I think I would still prefer Le Vesuve over Maman Cochet, even if she is "instant". I hope you'll post pictures when yours starts to grow and bloom. I'll be curious to see whether the rebloom on the climber is as fast as it is on the bush.

Ingrid