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I found such a rose...

17 years ago

It was our usual Dirt Day and we had been assigned the garden of old Hybrid teas. It was dear to us. We had dug their holes. Now years later, they were in their glory, none more so than a radiant plant of beautiful cupped blooms, shining pink in the sunshine. The smell was the very best. I can think of no other rose that is better. I inquired. Grace de Monaco. No more than 60 years old, 1956 from the house of Meilland. I could not find it anywhere except as a special rooting from Vintage. Scarey, that cash strapped little nursery being the last holdout for so many wonderful roses. Yes, I ordered it, it was that wonderful, if they have extras when they make mine...get it while you can.

la

la

Comments (11)

  • 17 years ago

    Luanne, I hope you enjoy her for many years. So glad that someone knew her name and that you could find her!

  • 17 years ago

    I've been wondering where you been lately, but now I know. Didn't happen to fall down on that sucker of Till Uhlenspiegel?
    Grace de Monaco has the Peace rose for a parent. It sure looks lovely in the picture, and a hybrid tea with scent should be grown more often. Only one I've ever found was Mr. Lincoln.
    There is also a Princesse Grace de Monaco bred in 1981 by Meilland which doesn't seem as good as the original. I hope I got the right one.
    Do you remember that picture you posted of the miniature Kaylah once? I'm always saving miniatures from the bargain bin at the store and one I grew this summer sure reminded me of it.
    I hope you are surviving California fires and economic doom okay.
    Up here it's freezing to death. 25 for a high today and already snowing.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Grace de Monaco

  • 17 years ago

    Kaylah,
    Your post makes it clear why those of us who have room and love old and older roses need to collect, grow, and distribute them. The last two days I was out on a jaunt visiting gardening friends, and had roses for both of them that I'd propagated from cuttings another gardening friend gave me last fall. His roses are now rejoicing in positions in three new gardens. Someone does need to pay attention to whatever roses are out of fashion, and as the folks at Vintage Gardens write in their catalog, currently those are the older Hybrid Teas. I hope your new rose is wonderful for you!
    Melissa

  • 17 years ago

    I was impressed with alot of roses on Dirt Day. It happens every time.

  • 17 years ago

    According to Gregg who id'd the rose for me, it is a much better rose than Princess de Monaco who came a few years later, was stiff and of not much smell. I did smell some of those other roses Pam speaks of but for me this was the loveliest and absolutely the strongest perfume although Gruss en Coberg is of course a fabulous rose but more of the clove bouquet.
    Kaylah, just working in the garden, lots of drouth so lots of water hauling,grey water.If you ever come this way I will show you a posse of scented Hybrid teas, mostly older ones from the nectarine scented Sutter's Gold to the honey-suckle New Zealand. I like roses that can stand a vase for at least a couple of days. Kayla is still fluorishing in her pot, reminds me of you. I didn't run into Till Ulen...but if I do your name will be on it.
    la

  • 17 years ago

    I would love to visit Vintage one day. I received their catalog only this summer. Why didn't I know earlier how wonderful it was? The descriptions are so dreamy, it's delicious, I could eat it.

    I just got an email from Vintage stating that they are listing more roses later this week - I hope more gallicas and mosses. I am also interested in the older hybrid teas but BS was bad on some of my "moderns" this year.

    Maureen

  • 17 years ago

    Luanne,
    Sorry, it was your post, not Kaylah's, and what was I thinking of? Sometimes I think a certain portion of my brain must be dead. Apologies aside, I've been tempted myself by some of the older Hybrid Teas. My husband has his own bed of HTs purchased at the local garden center so that he can have the big flowers and bright colors he craves. I study them with interest, particularly noting that they don't grow so badly in our garden. Perhaps they would do tolerably if the beds were adequately prepared. I have rather a longing for 'Oklahoma'.
    Melissa

  • 17 years ago

    Melissa, those of us with our own collection of 'senior moments' salute you. I think I should list the fragrant hy-teas in my garden, perhaps in a separate post but for here and now:
    Careless Love
    New Zealand
    Love's Promise
    Sheila's Perfume
    Peter Mayle
    Alec's Red
    Tiffany
    Jardins de Bagatelle
    Margaret Merrill
    Sutter's Gold
    Double Delight
    Lady Wenlock
    Legendary
    George Dickens
    Distant Drums
    Paul Shirville
    Spiced Coffee
    Blue Girl
    Irene Churucca
    Samaritan
    Elizabeth Harkness
    Girona
    Cameo Perfume
    Lemon Spice
    Blue River
    Souv. de President Carnot
    Ernest H. Morse
    Chateau de Clos Vougeot
    Dame Edith Helen
    Purple Beauty
    Fragrant Plum
    Gruss en Coberg
    Mrs. Charles Bell
    Red Radiance
    Oklahoma
    Crimson Glory
    Francis Dubreuil
    Intrigue
    Verschuren
    Charles de Gaulle
    Blue River
    Mrs. Oakley Fisher
    Papa Meilland
    Valencia

    There were other that were equally fragrant but did not survive my organic farming/no spray policy or like Mrs. Lovell Swisher is very beautiful but has a strong fragrance at 6 in the morning for five minutes on a foggy day so I did not list her.
    Maureen, last Spring was her loveliest and some of the hybrid perpetuals were in there element which is a very lovely one when they are on.
    la

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for the list, Luanne. I get myself a rose at the store from time. I am always walking up and smelling them to see if they have any scent. Usually, none. I've been meaning to read up on Kordes roses, thinking to try some of those.
    I'll bet you could plant all of those here with no graft and get some to make it. I am finding that the more I collect roses, that survival is just a matter of individuality from rose to rose.
    Deb

  • 17 years ago

    I lost my Valencias, all of them. Wahhh wahhh. That is the most beautiful rose in the world. In my next life, I will have a garden of nothing else.

  • 17 years ago

    We could do a whole thread on the individuality of roses. I lost two Crimson Glories before the remarkable one I now have came to live with me. His strength, remontancy and potency of scent are not even compareable to the two weak miserable sickly plants I had before. Same with Oklahoma. Then there is the right ammendment thing. All the sudden Chrysler Imperial is shining like a star after the last load of mulch. There are very few hard and fast rules.
    You are right about Valencia, Patricia but surely not exclusively. I know you, you get bored as fast as I do. One rose would not do you for very long, I think.
    la