HOW EXCITING!!..Thanks for the info...Jeanne

Can I keep clematis in the house by a window over the winter? I think it is too late in the season to plant outside. Amy

I've gotten 8 from them and they were great!

I would recommend them. :o)

(I've gotten lots of plants on eBay, Iris, daylilies, hard to find seeds, I've been really happpy with everything!)

Can't find them on ebay when I put Kio Garden in search. What am I doing wrong?

I believe the link below is the one. I'm assuming however and don't know this vendor and ceterum's are one and the same.

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: Koi Garden

Here is the website...I don't have paypal...do they take credit cards?..Couldn't find if they did..when I clicked on Cart it went to paypal..how does one get paypal...Jeanne

Here is a link that might be useful: Koi Garden Club

My link and Jeanne's both take you to the same vendor with a slightly different storefront.

Jeanne to get a paypal account is easy and free. All you need is a credit or debit card. The only thing is that PayPal does take you through a confirmation process that takes a couple of days. You would not be able to sign up and use the account today. However PayPal accounts can be quite useful so you might look into it by visiting paypal.com just for your own information.

Hope this helps.

Kate

I have been using PayPal for years. It is really convenient for smaller vendors or for those who just start the business and cannot afford to pay the fees credit card companies charge them. I ordered seeds, rooting gel, coco coir, books, etc. via PayPal. They have your credit card on file and the charge occurs as a paypal charge from your credit card companies but the vendor will get the payment immediately from Paypal.

Some customers also prefer Paypal, consider it safer because this way only one firm has the CC number not many.

Most vendors accept personal checks if you do not have or do not want to use PayPal.

Both, they do offer a lot of Clematis for cold zones like alpinas and so forth. Of course I am not an expert in hardy clematis (or any clematis) but I suggest you ask the owner. He was very prompt in answering questions. I think you can email him via the website on eBay; at least that's what I did.

Alright, ceterum, I call this definitely UNFAIR! You're not satisfied w/ enabling me into more roses, now you're determined to enable me into more clems, too! You get my vote as best (worst!) enabler! Brandy

Brandy, I will shut up. When did I tell you to buy any clematis? But, do not worry, I bought up so much that you would not find that many. (Joking!)
Did I recommend you Chalk Hill? No, although I got excellent clematis from them - but the price of shipping is prohibitive.

Go for the group 3 clematis those are much trouble free in our zone (and start blooming much sooner than it is indicated on the website). Alpinas -supposedly - are not good in our zone. And do ask him if he plans to put a new series on; I bought quite a number of group 2 (those may have some problems in the heat, but...)and then he posted a lot of new ones that are group 3. Darn. I had to buy some of those, too. And do ask if he has any more Rooguchi, Prince Charles available. If you do not have Jackmani, check out that one, too.

Check out COtW (clematis on the web) for more photos.

OK, I didn't say anything; I apologize for posting.

Now I withdraw and cover my face in shame.:-(

Here is a link that might be useful: Clematis on the Web

Ceterum, thank you for the heads up. I ended up ordering Duchesse of Edinburgh (beautiful double), Asao (rosy with white central bar), Louise Rowe (very interesting 'fluffy' lavender) and Royalty (dark purple double).
My total was $30, I think it is not so bad for 4 vines.
Thanks again.
Marina

You got me, ceterum! I ordered Clair de Lune, Haku Ookan, Jackmanii Superba, & Allanah. I figure w/ all the roses I have now, I have lots of places to plant them. (How far from the rose should I plant them?) I'm also planning on moving the ones I have around the deck- I don't think they get enough sun. I hope now is a good time to move them? And I can kiss my plans of going to the camellia nursery's open house this month goodbye :(. (You were not the only one contributing to my excess ordering- someone posted a link for baby Japanese maples, etc from www.worldplants.com)
Oh, well, maybe next month... Brandy

Clematis sales are great. I just found 2 Viticellas in 10" pots at a local nursery for $10.

Clems are great. I am planting them under spring blooming viburnums. The clem leafs are similar enough that you hardly notice them and it just appears that the shrub is in bloom.

Brandy, I also got Claire de Lune and in the second order I ordered Haku Ookan. We should compare notes next year. I have two 6-7 years old Jackmanii so I didn't order the superba; I hope you will post photos so I can see what is the difference.
I read or was told that the group II's should be treated as group III's in the first 2-3 years and then they get stronger and do not wilt in summer.

Harry, that's a great deal, you are so lucky. We do not have many clematis sold here. I just asked the so-called best small nursery owner in town - he was the invited speaker in the garden club - if he planned to have clematis in the future and he said "no - too much trouble". So I must order online.

Ceterum:

If you will indulge me a clematis question? I have not grown them before. I am growing the rose 'Lamarque' on the side of my house having just planted it this fall. I'm thinking the clematis 'Niobe' would be a great companion to grow up the trellis with that rose. My question is will this clematis make it on about 5 hours of sun?

Thank you.

Kate

I do not have Niobe - yet, anyway - though I adore the color and will certainly try it. Lamarque with Niobe will be a killer combination.

I do have a number of clematis, however, that do not get more than 5 hours sun. Perle d'Azure, for example, that is paired with Cl. Mrs. Sam McGredy on a structure; the rose was planted two years earlier than the clematis. Perle d'Azure is supposedly a slow starter. Now, it is higher up on the structure and still blooming right now and is waiting for Mrs. Sam McGredy to catch up. Warsaw Nike and Romantika are also in kind of shady spot (close to the base of an enormous cl. Pele and Buff Beauty respectively and they do bloom well though none of the clematis reached the top of the roses yet. Romantika certainly gets less sun then 5 hours now.

I found that lack of water is much more serious problem; if Clematis gets enough water it will grow much faster and blooms much better; all o my older clematis was late in summer/fall because we had no rain. As soon as we got about an inch of rain (or I watered them more) they started blooming.

But, I am no clematis expert; I wish I were. If Jeanne- Texas would show up, we would be truly educated. She is the Clematis queen but Carol (SC) also knows more than I do.

In any case, I would do the Lamarque Niobe pairing; just be sure to plant the clematis such a way that the rose roots cannot suppress the clematis roots.

Sorry that I cannot manage to be of more help

Kate..Clematis "Niobe" is a wonderful clematis but was very slow to get established in my gardens..if you are looking for a reddish/purple to companion with Climbing Rosa "Lamarque" you might want to consider a pruning group 3/viticellas..to me they are awesome with climbers..you hard prune them every year at the same time you first prune your roses or when the Forsythias are in bloom..and here in my warmer climate I can get 2-3 flushes a growing season with hardpruning!!..the hotter the climate the less sun Clematis can take..I find that growing them in 5-6 hours morning sun here is adequate..they love water!!..not soggy but always moist ...Some pruning group 3/viticellas you might want to consider are Clematis "Madame Julia Correvon",Clematis "Ville de Lyon" is to die for.. Clematis "Bourbon" which I have planted with climbing rosa "Mrs. Sam McGredy",Clematis "Kermensia" is a bit more pinkish but soooooo sweet!,Clematis "Voluceau" is amazing,
Clematis "Etoile Violette" is way awesome and so floriferious

"We do not have many clematis sold here. I just asked the so-called best small nursery owner in town - he was the invited speaker in the garden club - if he planned to have clematis in the future and he said "no - too much trouble". So I must order online."
Ceterum..I've heard the same thing from nursery people here..for some reason people in warmer zones think that they can't grow them or they are a pain in the you know what..once you know what they love condition wise they are awesome..What zone are you in??
I got an email from Jerome and he was very nice and said when I go to paypay they will ask for a credit card number...how kewl is that!!
You are more than welcome to view my clematis at my link...I've still got about another 20 to add yet...that I just got and now with Koigardens..oh my...lol...Jeanne

Here is a link that might be useful: My Clematis

Jeanne, your link is not working :( I think it requires login.
I am dying to see your clematis.
Marina

Marina..I'm so sorry the link won't work..it's my journal at Dave's...I have two websites you might want to try this one...Jeanne

Here is a link that might be useful: Jeanne's Garden

Now I want to see too! For some reason Jeanne's link did not work for me. But hopefully the one below will.

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: Gorgeous Clematis

Jeanne, so good to see you show up here. I wanted to ask you a few questions but I cannot log into the clematis forum as matter of fact, I cannot log into anywhere except the two rose forums; not even to the rose gallery). I can read the various forums but cannot post. I contacted GW but got no answer.

I am in zone 8, east, coastal region. Hot and very humid -up to know; right now we have fantastic weather, sunny, crystal clear, breezy; but I am inside with a bad flu, darn.

I too had problems with your website last week: Firefox collapsed and closed down more than once when I clicked on your web link. Kate's link works however.

Niobe was a bloom machine the first year here and hasn't looked back.
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I'm not used to that with clematis.

My problem with the critter is that it is too vigorous for the spot I planted it. Rebloom is good too. Perhaps Niobe likes the cool weather in Montana.

Here is a link that might be useful: Deb & Digger's Niobe

Jeanne, what did you get from Koi garden? I cannot believe that there is any clematis you do not grow yet. LOL.

Yes, Digger is another great clematis grower - how could I forget that! (the flu I guess muddles my head even more than usual:-(( )

Hi guys ~ I am a sort of clematis newbie. I have three already and got eight from Koi, one of tem Roguchi. I was thinking of planting Roguchi in the bare legs of my Mister Lincoln to climb around. Is Roguchi much of a climber? Mister Lincoln is about 9 feet tall, a monster with very bare knees. He's in a very big, open space with a lot of air circulation. I thought that might be a good place for Roguchi. What do you think?

I also got Multi-Blue, Duchess of Edinburgh, and Proteus. I like the doubles. Also got a new type 3 called Galore. Clematis grow excellent here!

Well I could have sworn I submitted this post earlier but here goes again. Forgive me if my other post magically appears and I end up repeating myself.

Ceterum and Jeanne: Thank you very much for your time and the excellent information. I'm getting pretty excited about following your suggestions and reading more based on the information you provided. Much appreciated.

Jeanne I hope I did not misinform you on the whole PayPal process. Perhaps things have changed since way back when when I started my account. Glad that worked out for you.

Finally I rececived a message from folks at Koi Garden and they have 'Ville de Lyon' in stock. I forgot to ask her about 'Niobe' but if they don't have that lovely I will buy two of the first one. I'm excited! The only reservation I have at this point is how cold it has turned early in the fall/winter season. Consistent nighttime temperatures of right around 36 degrees. My husband says if I plant clematis now it will be a plant death sentence. I'll probably just plant them and not tell him:)

Again thank you.

Kate

What a picture, diggern! Wow! I especially liked the Niobe.
Ceterum- now that I have ordered clems at this time of the yr., what do I do w/ them when I get them? Pot them up? And if so, do I bring them inside or put them in a sheltered spot outside? (BTW- Rooguchi is very attractive but over on the clem forum, I remember reading that it was more prone to mildew than some, so I decided to pass it up.) Brandy

Brandy and Kate - plant them if they are big enough. I repotted all Koi garden clems into 1 galoon to let it grow a bit (they had terrific roots but some were rootbound so I untangled the roots and potted them up into 1 gallons. I would have planted quite a few of them but since we have extreme drought I can water th pots that I keep in one place but I am afraid that I would forget to water some if they are all over in the yard. But, I have a bit more than 4 to plant....:-) or rather:-((

Interesting that all of you got answers from Koi G while he didn't answer my mails re the new ones I wanted to order.

Kate, Warsaw Nike (group III) has the same color as Niobe though Warsaw Nike has smaller flowers.

Jeanette, what can you tell me about Ascotiensis and Victor Hugo?

Rooguchi was my longest blooming clematis, grew to about 7' on an umbrella trellis I have Papi Delbard on. It might have been taller but I wrapped around the trellis leg. It bloomed here from April till September than all of a sudden the leaves turned brown and the climber collapsed.

I stripped off the leaves and cut back the vine a bit. It does not look dead or anything. R. as I read can be prone to Powdery Mildew but I seriously doubt that around 110 F heat index of a steam bath PM could be the problem. I suspect lack of rain/watering caused the problem.

Thank you for the info. I will probably pot them up and put them on my deck near the door.
I know very little about clems, but I remember clematis wilt being mentioned repeatedly and no one seemed to know the cause. It sounded like a sudden wilting of the entire plant. Could that be the problem w/ yours, ceterum? Brandy

Yes, I think so, although wilt usually mentioned in connection of group II (2) clematis and should not show up in group III (3). Rooguchi is an integrifolia and those belong to group III.

Wilt can affect some group III clematis, I think. This is one of the reasons I prefer the Viticellas. They seem to be wilt-proof.

Harry the two group 3 clematis I planted first, about 8-10 years ago were Jackmanii and they did wilt a few times during in the first few years. Maybe because I didn't cut them back in spring; now I cut them back in winter to avoid feeling sorry to cut off already budded stems.

Kate ~ Here's Warsaw Nike with New Dawn. A really great clematis. Lots of blooms, very pretty color too.

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Adrienne:

That is so beautiful. Wow! I enjoy your garden photos.

I will put that on my possible list for next year. Actually the rose and the clematis. We will be buying more rose climbers next year for sure.

I ordered from Koi Garden this morning 'Ville de Lyon' and 'Comtesse de Bouchard'. I can't wait. Thanks everyone for some good thoughts about growing these.

Kate

I also ordered both, Kate. But I am absolutely entrapped by all the dark, almost black purples and blues. Of, course in Norther California you can grow Delphiniums well but for me here they are just short season annuals. So I intend to plant not only climbing clematis but lower growing intergrifolias - to replace some of the salvias that I love (like Black and blue) but proved to be a thug in the various rose beds.

These two I noticed blooming yesterday

Perle d'Azure

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Trikatrei

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Ceterum:

Very pretty! Thanks for this thread. Your enabling and all the awesome information in this thread made me stop thinking about buying some clematis and decide to just do it.

Great fun. Already I cannot wait for winter to be over.

Kate

Even though it is not part of the sale ... I would also like to recommend this: clematis "Hendersonii": It is a hybrid between clematis integrafolia and clematis viticella. It blooms from June-September. It does not "Cling" and is very much like clematis Durandi.Perfect to mingle into a big once-blooming shrub rose: (it can get 8-10 feet tall):

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Another favorite is clematis viticella "Etoile Violette". I really like these viticella clematis. They do not wilt for me like quite a few have done over the years.

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For a protected south facing wall or pot and winter protected in USDA zones less than 7 ,or for those living in warmer climate I would recommend clematis florida 'Sieboldii'. The inner sepals are amazing in shape and colour and beauty:

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Here is a link that might be useful: Clematis florida 'Sieboldii'

Your Hendersonii is gorgeous. Now, I have to search which nursery offers it in the US.

Gorgeous flowers, pacn.
I love the sieboldii, cupshaped. What color of rose or other shrub would you plant it w/?
Ceterum- both of those clems look blue and I've read before that there is no such thing as a really true blue clem (in spite of the way that Wayside colors their pics), so how blue are they? I would like some near blue ones, if I just knew which ones were really more blue than purple. Thanks, Brandy

Brandy, do you want sky blue or dark blue? Perle d'Azure IS sky blue- a bit lighter than on my photo. Trikatrei, on the other hand, is even darker, almost blackish ink blue. But, in case you referred to the 2 photos I posted, they are blue(s) - to my eye.

Cupshaped's clematis looks true blue to me; the kind of blue I want more of.

Rooguchi is also blue - a very vivid indigo blue although on COtW the photo has a purplish sheen/hue.

A few of all those I ordered are supposed to be blue but I will see their real color when they bloom.

I usually check several websites for color but Wayside is not one of them:-) But, to tell the truth every website shows the very same clematis in different color. I am sure that zone, soil, temperature also plays part in it.

For example, I read that Claire de Lune - that both you and I purchased from Koi Gardens - can bleach out in full sun, so I will try to find a shadier position for that clematis.

Brandy, I might be color blind but Jackmanii below is one that is dark purple to my eyes, not blue as opposed to Perle d'Azure.

These two are old photos from 2001
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Brandyray: I grow my C. Florida "Sieboldi" in some pink and blush pink rose like Heritage and Eden Rose climber. I also grow one in my Korean Lilac Bush (Syringa meyeri 'Palibin').

Ceterum: I also think that soil, micro and macro nutrients and temperature causes differences in colour. We often see that in roses. I also think that the camera and the amount of light/quality of light can play tricks on the pictures.

My Clematis Jackmanii "Superba" is intensely bluish purple.
I hope you can find C. Hendersonii. What a nice garden you have Btw.!

I think that Clematis Multiblue is almost a true blue, but even that can show different shades of blue : It is such a beauty too:

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Cupshaped that is interesting. I had Multiblue (I think I lost it in this two-years drought) but mine was a bit paler. Similar to your first photo but I never got the color of your second one. Again, I garden in a very hot coastal zone, so this clematis bleached out a bit here, I guess.

Thanks for the compliment; it means a lot coming from you; I wish I deserved it. But I try and try...., LOL.

Marie...what zone are you in??..Jeanne

Hm. I already posted an answer but it disappeared.

East coast, coastal zone 8, NC.

I really like all those blues, Perle d'Azure, Multiblue and Trikatrei (never heard of that one).
I have read that Clair de lune is more shade tolerant, and that is good- I can plant them in front where there is more afternoon shade.
My new clems arrived today and what beauties they are!!! I am so impressed! They are the nicest clems I've ever gotten! Very well established, lots of root, and some of them had 2 ft of growth! I stuck them in pots already. Thanks for letting me know about that place, ceterum.
Cupshaped- I think it might look good w/ a bright yellow rose or my red (really very intense dark pink) crepe myrtles. I don't have any pink roses. Brandy

You are very welcome, Brandy. Am I still the worst enabler?
(It is so strange to read that I am called an enabler - I've never thought of myself as such and never claimed this title)

I too got my new 13 clematis today and they are gorgeous!!! (A few of them will be present to friends).

If we get some rain, I will start planting! We were 'promised' rain for last night - not a drop. And it was so hot an humid again today!

Ok, folks, here it goes. I got a very nice email from Jerome who wanted to thank everybody here but couldn't post....
He is running a sale, $5 a plant but one should contact him via email because they cannot update their site for such a short period of time.

I am doomed because I found some new clems I didn't see before and those I got do very well.

Here is the first bloom of Snow Queen I got from KoiG.

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Ceterum- I love your Snow Queen. I would expect a flower w/ that name to be white- that's light purple w/ white bars, isn't it? It looks like a large bloom too- 5 inches?
I did email Jerome, but actually ordering any more will have to wait til the beginning of Nov. and I will be out of town Tues eve til Fri. Thanks, Brandy

Talk to him, I mean, write to him, Brandy - it would be good to know how long he can ship; they are in a very cold zone. They already had some very cold temps - I asked about Perrin'e pride and Jerome said it was hit by frost but still healthy. I must have that one, I MUST have that one. Dont' you dare to snatch it from me. LOL.

Snow Queen is white with blue edges; it has been holding on to that bloom for days. Today Henryi also had a bloom opened but I couldn't find my camera before dark; typical of me.

Ascotiensis also arrived with a fat bud - I heard so many good things about that clematis but all the photos I checked are different, so if it opens it will help me to find the best spot for that beauty.