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Crossing difficulties

16 years ago

Hey,

I just wondered if I could run a problem I am having by everyone's experience. I have so far made several crosses with my blooming hippi's but have not gotten a single one of them to take. I never had this difficulty in the past and am not sure what my problems might be. They are getting plenty of light and do not stretch too much at all however I am growing them inside and because of heating costs I only keep my place at around 62 degrees F and cooler in some areas of the house. Is this too cool for them??? I know that the crosses have not taken because the entire stalk begins to yellow, wilts and eventually falls over. The pods may plump up but the stalk aborts in these instances. The crosses I have attempted so far are as follows:

Bellismo x Trentino

Trentino x Bellismo

Lemon Sorbet x Trentino

Trentino x Lemon Sorbet

Lemon Sorbet x Bellismo

Bellismo x Lemon Sorbet

Any advise or suggestions would be great....

Comments (5)

  • 16 years ago

    Lonewolf...It could be from the indoor temps being cool.I'd more so wonder if it's because all Hybrids you crossed are South Africans and may have been stressed in the long voyage here.They just wanted to bloom,be done and rest.
    Something to consider

  • 16 years ago

    Lonewolf,

    I don't know if this is any consolation, but I also have acquired some South African breeds: Little Devil, Lemon Sorbet, & Fanfare which have bloomed. I am not having success in the fertilization of South African X South African. However if you can cross a South African X other variety in either direction there is a higher success rate.

    This is by no means information from an expert breeder; I am myself trying breeding for the first time.

    The blends that have shown signs of success so far are:
    Glimar NoID x Fanfare
    Lemon Sorbet x Minerva
    Lemon Sorbet x Santa Cruz
    Lemon Sorbet x Full House
    Full House x Fanfare
    Full House x Lemon Sorbet
    Little Devil x Full House
    Little Devil x Santa Cruz

    AJ

  • 16 years ago

    Ploidy may have more to do with it, although stress might actually be a factor to consider. Ploidy is the one thing I'm not certain about... some hybrids are Diploid, others are Tetraploid or Triploid... and I'm not sure about which fall into which category.

    I wish there was a concrete list of all the different hybrids and their actual Ploidy, so we all had a better chance of getting positive results from our pollination attempts.

    This is one subject that I need to study more.

  • 16 years ago

    Bulb variety, quality and maturity, right timing, right ploidy, right temperatures, right humidity, lighting all contribute to the success of pollination. The "exotics" are kinda particular about this. Most regular large flowering varieties are not.

    There is the general rule to follow about ploidy but sometimes, it does not work. So it is best for you to try/pollinate several times. You may not be successful now with a certain cross but might be successful next season. You might not be successful with a particular bulb but succeed on another of the same variety.

    It's a whole learning process that you will need to document whether it was a success or failure. Besides the parents, include dates when you pollinated, what happened (scape dried/seedpod aborted), and dates they failed or harvested. With this, you base your decisions next time you try working on that particular hippie. Been doing this for years but still get hundreds of failed pollinations every season. What works in FL or TX (warmer states) soemtimes does not work for me here in VA.

    I usually get most of my failures during winter months even if the hippies are inside at 70F temps. And get very good results starting March/April even if they were grown at the same growing area under the same growing conditions as the ones pollinated in winter. So there could possibly be a "link" on the sunlight's intensity and humidity in the success of pollinations too.

    Just try and try until you succeed. Don't give up. Prayers help a lot. Inside a seed is life. A blessing only coming from above.

  • 16 years ago

    OK...I posted a reply here too! What's the deal! I swear, my computer is possessed!

    I wanted to say that if you are set on making these crosses, I would suggest that you pull off the pollen sacs (anthers) as soon as the flower opens, but surely before the stigma ripens so that you don't accidently get a "self" and the pollination that you intend is the only one that occurs. It only takes a grain of pollen to mess up your well thought out plans. And, I made little caps to contain all the ripe seeds, just in case they seed pod opened whiled I was out of town. Very clever!
    Kristi

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