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bermuda grass

17 years ago

My fiancee and I rent a duplex in the Sacramento Valley, near Yuba City. It has a very small back yard, and we have permission to garden in it. I spent most of last summer trying to kill off the extremely weedy lawn with RoundUp. I noticed a little bit of bermuda grass then, but the weed causing the majority of the problem last summer was foxtails. (It was especially important to eradicate the foxtails, because we have two dogs.)

Over the winter, the bermuda grass and foxtails both disappeared completely. Annual bluegrass was the major weed problem instead. We also had horrific drainage problems; more than half the back yard was underwater continuously for more than a month in December and January. I shoveled a lot of dirt around to fix the drainage problems, digging a drainage ditch and piling the excess dirt from the ditch into the other low spots throughout the back yard to raise the level of the land. Throughout the fall, winter, and spring, I also began planting various native plants, and now the back yard is finally beginning to look a little bit like a real garden.

The annual bluegrass isn't much of a problem anymore now that the weather has turned summery again. The foxtails have resumed being a problem, but they're not as bad a problem as last summer - probably because last summer I hadn't moved in here yet, so I only had a chance to pull them when I visited on weekends. (My fiancee doesn't garden at all.) However, the bermuda grass is a much bigger problem this summer than I remember it ever being last summer.

When I shoveled dirt around to improve the drainage problems, I left one half of the yard a little lower than the other and planted native grasses and water-tolerant plants in it - not true wetland plants that would require a lot of watering, but deergrass, clustered field sedge, valley sedge, milkweed, elderberry, and currants. In the dryer half of the yard, a fairly dense cover of California poppies sprouted. Some bermuda grass grows under them, but it's not much worse than it was last year. In the wetter half of the yard, none of the poppy seeds I scattered survived the winter flooding. Instead, bermuda grass has been completely taking over. I've been trying to pull it by hand daily, but it seems to be growing back about equally as fast as I can pull it. I haven't tried really digging it up yet; I've just been pulling up as many stems and rhizomes as I can with my hands. I also haven't tried mechanically weed-eating it yet; our weed-eater has been on long-term loan to the residents of the other half of the duplex, and I haven't yet asked for it to be returned.)

Here are my questions:

1. Does the bermuda grass prefer the wetter area of the yard primarily because it's wetter, or because there aren't so many plants competing with it there?

2. Is the bermuda grass worse this summer than last summer primarily because I shoveled the dirt around to improve the drainage, or because most of the other weeds that competed with it last summer are gone this summer, or because I'm no longer spraying RoundUp?

3. Will the bermuda grass temporarily vanish over the winter again, like it did last year, or did I just get lucky last year?

4. If I plant a denser crop of native perennials and shrubs in the areas it's currently growing, will that help get rid of the bermuda grass? I read that only heavy shade from dense trees, rather than from short shrubs, is enough to inhibit its growth. Our back yard is so small that there isn't really any room to to plant trees.

And the big one:

5. What's the best way to kill the bermuda grass without killing my plants? Should I dig it up? Should I weed-eat it? Should I paint it with an herbicide, and if so, which one? Should I try to smother-mulch it? Or some combination of the above?

Comments (6)

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    In my experience, the only way to kill bermuda is with Round-up or a similar weed killer. Roots go on to China, weed-eating makes it stronger.

    It must be sprayed in the spring when the grass first begins to sprout, and then you water until it sprouts again, then spray, as many times as necessary.

    It will grow best where there is water. Competition from other plants will not phase it. It grows through concrete.

    I usually dig everything out of a bed that has been infested with the evil weed, but if you want to try to tackle it leaving the plants in situ, I recommend making a paper cone out of a few sheets of newspaper with a little hole at the bottom. You wrap your cone around the piece of grass and carefullY spray or brush on Roundup. My stepdad uses empty toilet paper rolls and leaves them over the weed after he sprays until the Roundup dries.

    My heart breaks for you. Good luck.
    Renee

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have eradicated Bermuda grass by removing the grass part, and then smother-mulching it. (I don't use herbicides, as I don't want to poison my pets) This works best with a base layer of overlapping cardboard and then covering it with thick mulch. Grass clippings over cardboard also work if you are going on-the-cheap. Or SMUD offers free wood chips if you have a trailer and want to drive to Sacramento. If you have a small yard, smothering should be perfectly do-able, and then you just have to keep vigilant for sprouts in the future.

    And to answer your question, yes, Bermuda goes dormant in the winter. And it probably is worse because in spreading the soil for drainage, you were spreading seed/pieces.

    Carla in Sac

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    1. Grows anywhere, prefers water and sun, more dense and hardy there. But will grow in shade, just more lanky.
    2. Probably because you aren't spraying roundup.
    3. Goes dormant in the winter.
    4. NO, absolutely will not get rid of Bermuda. The only way to get rid of it in my experience is to completely dig it out. There are a ton of roots to the stuff. You can't spray enough roundup on it to kill it long term. The foliage will die for awhile, but there isn't enough foliage to absorb enough roundup to kill all the roots, in my opinion and experience. If you plant other plants before eradicating, the bermuda will find a home in your new plants root system and then you'll never be able to get rid of it fully.
    6. The best option is to dig out. I've spent hours/weeks getting it out. It is hard work. Amazing how many roots it has. If you leave any, it grows back from the parts of roots you left. I would start with that and then spray any stragglers. But, its not a one time thing, its a process of following up with the stuff you missed.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If you need another (of the same) opinion, I agree with the last posters.

    I was able to keep it mostly under control in a 100% shade area under a large tree, after I dug up 6-12 inches to destroy the roots.

    My neighbor and I eventually gave up and went for the bermuda grass look in our yards.

    It's amazing how a huge stubborn clump will grow from the smallest tad of dirt in the concrete or asphalt.

    If it's really a new threat, you may not be in the worst possible situation. Dig out a section as deep as possible to see how far down the roots actually are.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have had pretty fair results with using RoundUp as a spray as long as the weather is warm and the stuff is actively growing. Then use your mulches/barriers as you like. Follow up any new growth with about a 1 to four ratio (way stronger than recommended) of roundup and water applied with a small brush to the bermuda only. As long as you are diligent to get the new growth as it appears it will only pop up a few times before giving up the ghost. You must remain vigilant since it can blow in as seeds from the neighbors. It is a never-ending problem.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    When we plant "meadow/prairie" areas with Bermuda grass, we make sure to complete at least 2 grow kill cycles to prepare the soil. That involves making sure that everything is actively growing and spraying Roundup and spreading a pre-emergent. Bermuda grass produces an enormous amount of seeds if allowed to set. We let all that die and let a new round of weeds come up followed by another round of Roundup and pre-emergent. That is about all most people are willing to endure, although if I had my way I would complete another round. Each round takes about 3 weeks. Then we go in with native grass plugs leaving the ground untilled. If you till the area you will just expose more weed seeds. After about 6 months, the grass will be filling in nicely and you can heavily sow the wildflower seeds. There may be some bermuda grass that survives, but it is controllable by either roundup or digging it out. Just be careful with the spray. With these types of gardens, site preparation is incredibly important if you want to increase your chance of success.