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'Trumpet' Vines?

18 years ago

Hello to everyone!...I am a new member and have only been in NC for a year and a half or so (transplanted from FL, so everything is new and exciting to me here!). One of the gardening joys I am barely able to wait for is planting hummingbird attractors. I had some pentas and salvia in a container last year, some bee balm (that didn't survive the drought), and the hummingbirds came in droves. For a newbie Floridian, it was an unbelievable sight and experience. I am hooked now and have already ordered some perennials to coerce more hummers into my yard (more scarlet bee balm, columbines, cardinal flower for the shade, a few red hot pokers, and a variegated weigela).

I'm planting these in a sunny spot right in front of a wooded section at the middle back of my property. There's also a double-trunked tulip poplar set apart from the woods in this area that's at least 80' tall, which seems like a great "trellis" for one of these flowering vines hummingbirds love so much.

So (finally!) my question is about the few different "trumpet" vines I've seen. I put trumpet in quotation marks because it seems there's some confusion around the web about which is which...definitely there is for me! I've ordered something from an online retailer that's actually named "trumpet vine", which I have now read is invasive or at the very least will take over your garden. I obviously do not want this one. I was originally thinking of "trumpet honeysuckle", which I've heard is not invasive, flowers in mid- to late March (right when hummers start to come back), and is not invasive like Japanese honeysuckle (although it is an aggressive grower, I've read it doesn't spread by rhizomes, and so just needs to be pruned to stay in relative control). Then there's crossvine, which is sometimes mislabeled as trumpet vine because it looks a lot like it (but without the invasiveness), and something called "trumpet creeper," which is confused with pretty much everything else I've listed here. So the semantics are confused, I'm confused, and now you're probably confused too! =)

It sounds like if I can find a true trumpet honeysuckle, that'll be what I want. But is it invasive at all, or easily confused at the garden center with its invasive trumpet cousin? I don't want to plant the wrong one by accident. Any advice and expertise would be greatly appreciated!

Comments (9)

  • 18 years ago

    I think what you are looking for is the native coral honeysuckle (Lonicera sempervirens) or goldflame honeysuckle (Lonicera X heckrottii). Coral honeysuckle is not fragrant, goldflame honeysuckle is, and neither are invasive. Both have a long blooming season.

    Trumpet creeper and trumpet vine are the same thing: Campsis radicans. Native and very attractive to hummingbirds, but also very aggressive. I've actually messed up a bushhog trying to mow it down.

    Here is a link that may be useful: Native honeysuckles

  • 18 years ago

    welcome to NC!
    ok- as far as the honeysuckles the one you want to avoid is the japanese one, lonicera japonica. you can plant coral honeysuckle which is vigorous, but not invasive, and unfortunately not fragrant. it's lonicera sempervirens. it's a gorgeous coral red with yellowy throats that the hummers adore, and blooms heavily in spring then on & off all summer through fall. there are some yellow flowered cultivars of it. there are some other honeysuckles and i'm sorry i can't recall the names, that look a bit more like the jap kind, but are flushed with pink and gold and behave well and have fragrance that the hummers enjoy.

    campsis radicans, trumpet vine-aka cow itch-aka trumpet creeper is a native vine, but it is pretty invasive. i have it on my prop and let it grow up into one tree for the hummers, but keep the rest mowed off at the ground. it's like maypop- it comes up far and wide form the original from underground runners. cross vine- bignonia capreolata, is semi-well behaved. it's a native, too- and it's everywhere for me, and hard to eradicate where you don't want. it likes to climb high and flower- it flowers at about 40-60' in my trees. i think the improved versions like tangerine may flower more profusely for you than the straight species. hummers love both cross and trumpet vine, and i have both growing up big trees and flowering very successfully. they also like carolina jessamine, another native that can get a bit unruly. it's yellow, unlike the others, and so it could offer some contrast.

    another thing you may not have considered for hummers, is coral bells, heuchera species (look for the ones with red or pink bells- so many now have smaller dingy white flowers). and most of the salvias are magnets, too, even the blue ones like guaranitica. they like annuals like petunias, morning glories and million bells, too. more uncommon vines like manettia and mina lobata tickle them for later in the year. all that said, i'd be cautious about planning to plant too much this year though, with the drought. the likelihood of it continuing is too great, and water too scare to water much. if you are going to plant, do it soon while the earth is still moist and the things can get well established before it gets too dry. even with that, there's a good chance you'll lose much of what you plant now. i think i'd be content to get 2 or 3 feeders and hang those to draw in the hummers this year. best of luck with your gardens!

  • 18 years ago

    Don't forget to include Cardinal flower (Lobelia cardinalis) for late summer food. The hummingbirds love it. I also have Rhododendron prunifolia (the native plumleaf azalea) which blooms in July. Bright red flowers so they love that one too.

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks for the help! I'll look for some of that goldflame honeysuckle--to have the hummingbird magnet and the fragrance would be great. I read that it doesn't sucker to climb...will it have a problem growing up my tulip poplar (mostly trunk for the first 40', no real limbs to latch on to)?

    I do have some cardinal flower to plant, and also some sweet william and coral bells that I'm going to try out for the hummers. I can use creek water if I need to, so I hope they can get established. I do have 3 feeders that the hummers keep busy at...probably need more due to some territorial males!

  • 18 years ago

    Goldflame honeysuckle would need support of some kind. They only grow to 10 or 15'.

    Crossvine is your best bet for something that will grow way up high into your trees. Like Tammy I've got crossvine growing wild on my place, and it climbs very high.

  • 18 years ago

    the icon for the carolina gardens forum is the goldflame honeysuckle! that was the other one i was referring to- i think there's one cultivar that's a man's name and i can't remember it. i got a bunch of coral honeysuckle babies from seed to bring to the swap. i'd tried cuttings without a lot of luck before, but the seeds were easy as can be. maybe i'll try that with goldflame, too. honeysuckle climbs by twining with it's stem so it would need anywhere from 1/4" diameter on up through about 6" to climb. you could probably grow it on a trellis elsewhere on your prop and leave you poplar for the cross and trumpet vines (if you decide to keep it).

    btw, i find the cross vine doesn't bloom for a really long time like the trumpet vine (maybe a month vs all summer). have you found that to be the case for you, alicia? i don't know about the 'tangerine' cultivar, maybe it has a longer bloom time. you have to enjoy the blooms with binocs or when they fall to the ground.

    not that you probably want one, as they are incredibly invasive, but hummers do like mimosas. my trumpet vine is growing in my very tall @50' mimosa (here before we moved here, and the only one of many we left). so it's a double whammy for the hummers and butterflies. it's fun to watch through binocs as they flit from one to the other, punch drunk.

  • 18 years ago

    Tammy I think that's right. Crossvine blooms in the spring and then it's done. It grows so high up into the trees that it can be overlooked sometimes, like the flowers on tulip poplars.

  • 18 years ago

    I've had hummers on my Mexican sunflowers, monardas, salvia "black and blue," morning glory "Heavenly Blue" and especially the cypress vine (feathery foliage and tiny red flowers). Even had one "disappear" in a huge angel trumpet blossom! They will try just about anything, it seems. . .

  • 18 years ago

    Bought some stuff today at Niche in west Chapel Hill (thanks, Alicia!). The coral honeysuckle, goldflame honeysuckle, licorice agastache, and a couple of native columbines. I also convinced myself to get a vitex (chaste tree). Looking forward to the blooms...and the birds!

    Thanks for the help, everyone!