Yes the first one looks like PPE. The second one I am not sure of. Is it herbaceous? Does it die back to the ground every year? Does it climb? How tall does it get? Viticellas usually get big and climb. Integrifolias stay small. How old is your plant? It looks a little like my Inspiration which is an integrifolia.

Thanks flowerfan2 for the confirmation of PPE.

The second one does look like 'Inspiration'. My plant is only two years old so has been pinched back and this spring was hail damaged to the ground so am not sure of mature height. I bought it from Rice Creek Gardens when they closed (due to hwy expansion) on the last day. They were known for having unusual varieties as well as the more common ones. The plant was not labeled.

It is 4' tall and climbing on a trellis now. The blooms are 5" wide and more a reddish purple rather than pink. The low blooms in the photos are on a vine that was hanging down.

I see 'Inspiration' is a semi-climber. This clematis does not act like my c. integrifolia 'Bushy Blue Bell'. The leaves are also wider on this clematis.

It is herbaceous and appears to die back to the ground with the frost. I have about 30 different varieties of clematis. Most are P3 and the P2s have been treated the same as they are just 2 years old. This spring I will leave some old wood on the P2s for spring bloom.

I guess time will tell if it will grow like a viticella or not next year.

PPE for sure, flowerfan is also right that the second one looks a lot like Inspiration.

My viticellas were unmistakable in growth the second year despite hard pruning and pinching. They are all bigger than ten year old type II's and not three yet.

I don't get full growth from my viticellas until at least the third year.