Echeveria Doris Taylor is a cultivar made partly from E setosa I think. E setosa is a smaller, flattened plant with charateristic flowers that are part yellow and part red. E Doris Taylor is a much larger plant (nearly double the size, both in terms of diameter as well as three dimensionally). Its flowers are a pale orange with yellow and a bit less striking.

Echeveria setosa

Echeveria Doris Taylor

Echeveria setosa flowering

Echeveria setosa flowers

Echeveria Doris Taylor flowers

Hope that helps

Yes, that was a massive help and answered my question. The size difference I wasn't aware of. Thanks so much. I've seen a boatload of mislabeling of these two.

Thanks LZ. I enjoyed your commentary and your wonderful pictures which made things VERY clear. Now to get one of each, my next project. I know both are available just got to find some hopefully locally.

Geoff,

Awesome set of pictures which, in a word, defines it in toto, I reckon. Thanks for the flowers. I have one ill-lit NWC in flower, struggling to open, but that's great flower colour, pushing away even the Monday Morning Blues. I remember the hummingbirds on the E. setosa flowers from several plants on a shelf.

Echeveria 'Doris Taylor' is purportedly a cross between Echeveria setosa and Echeveria pulvinata.

Moran gives a fairly exhaustive examination of E. setosa in the link.

Here is a link that might be useful: variation in E. setosa