Generally the same cross is enough to consider two daylilies siblings. What about two with the same parents? Would you consider Belle Cook and No More Tears to be siblings? The former is Ed Brown X Seminole Wind and the latter is Seminole Wind X Ed Brown. Is having the same parents enough?

Edward

I consider a sib like this: Any seed pod of a cross will produce a flowering plant that has many siblings since it came from the same gene pool of seeds in the pod.

Say what?

I consider any plants with the same parents to be sibs.
I support the position that a cross is interchangeable, that pod and pollen parents are interchangeable, so I would also consider plants from the reverse cross, sibs as well.
Ed

Boy, that sure isn't what I always assumed. I consider a sibling to have come from the same pod as the named daylily.

This is an interesting question. I, like carmen grower, pretty much considered a sibling of a daylily to have come from the same pod. But when I think of cows, horses, or even humans for that matter, I think of them as having the same parents. Looks like I have two sets of standards here....

Janet

See i was always under the assumption from reading and from other DL peeps that "sibs" just meant the same cross, with either of the parents on the other.... But in the case of animals there is an X and Y specific parent, DLs can go either way, either parent can carry the young, so maybe there does need to be some clarification on this?

Oxford American Dictionary describes "sibling" as - a child in relation to another or others of the same parent, a brother or sister. I always considered the pollen as the sperm and the pod as the egg. Therefore, that would mean that reversing the pod and pollen would not make them siblings. However, that could be argued, and you do have me re-thinking the matter???????

Another related issue: What would you call a self pollinated seedling? Is it a sibling, out of wedlock or something else?

Daylily Dictionary at the American Hemerocallis Society, Inc. website says:

SIBLINGS, SIBS:
In daylilies, usually the seedlings resulting from one specific cross between two parents.

I would like the definition better if it weren't for the "usually" in it. I do like the "one specific cross," which would mean all the kids are from the same pod. Hmmmmm... The "one specific cross" seems to trump the "usually."

Here is a link that might be useful: Daylily Dictionary

larry_2005, I say bingo!! In daylily talk that seems to be the "official definition" and that is what I was wondering.

Thanks very much for posting.......

Oooh! I think the "official definition" is very ambiguous.

Just what is "one specific cross"?

I would interpret the term "cross" to mean the same parents regardless of which was pollen or pod or which pod the seeds came out of. But I can easily see how others would interpret that to mean all the seedlings from a single pod.

The "usually" doesn't bother me nearly as much. What about cloning and other technology altered seeds or plants? HOw do you classify them? That is why the "usually" part doesn't bother me.

I would argue that usually means commonly.
I would argue that 'one specific cross' means only that the same parents are involved.
I would argue that 'one specific cross' does not mean 'one specific pollination'.
'One specific pollination' will result in pod sibs btw.
An offspring resulting from a self pollination would be a sib only to others of the same cross (self).

Maybe we could call pod sibs, nonidentical twins? Voilà !
Ed

Okay, I was thinking about this....I have AUNT ETHEL which is a sibling to PRINCESS DIANA...listed this way by Frank Smith. Now, I have heard Frank speak and know he plants quite a number of seeds from each cross (I forget exactly how many). There would be no way to know which seeds came from exactly which pod, I would think...therefore, it seems that all seedlings from that specific cross would be sibs.

Don't you do the same thing? If you make the same cross, don't you keep all those seeds together?

Once in a while a hybridizer will identify cultivars as "pod" siblings--meaning from seeds out of the same pod.
Beth

Most of the big hybridizers - Smith, Stamile, Salter, Trimmer - do long crosses. That means they do the same cross over and over again and store all the seeds together. They would consider a sib any seedlings out of that cross. Some hybridizers only get one pod of a cross to take, so they know the bloomed seedlings were pod mate sibs. I personally don't think it matter if sibs are pod mates or not.

Debra