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Is my White Pine dead?

16 years ago

Hi everyone. I've been a gardenweb member for a long time, but am new to the conifer forum. I've had a very busy year thus far, having planted 3 norway spruce, 3 white pines, a blue spruce bakeri, 4 thuja green giants, and a couple of river birches. I got many of these trees on sale when the big box stores were liquidating inventory for the hot summer months.

I planted most of these trees at the worst possible time in order to save a few bucks, and of course, I knew many of these trees stood a decent chance of dying. No big deal... Hey, I figured I'd give it a try.

So far, with autumn right around the corner, the only tree that looks like it may not live is one of my 8 foot white pines. Some of the needles on the lower branches have a bit of green on them, but most of needles on the tree are brown. Even at the top of the centeral leader, the tree is wearing a crown of crusty brown needles. When I scratch the bark with my fingernail, there is green underneath, but with this tree having 80% of its needles brown (and clinging to the limbs still), I figure it's on death row for sure.

This fall, I'd like to plant something else there if this pine is a goner. Does anyone think it's worth it for me to wait the tree out until spring, or should I just cut it down once the weather cools off a bit and plant something else there?

I'm asking because I really hate to lose an entire season if I don't have to... so if this tree is a high probability loss, it ought come down.

Comments (11)

  • 16 years ago

    High probability of loss - yes. Worth keeping? Probably not, but pics would probably help and it's really up to you. Do you have a replacement or can you afford to replace it? Does the big-box store offer a return policy? Pines are tough but recovery for most conifers from serious stress can be difficult.

    -Will

  • 16 years ago

    Thanks for the reply!

    Yes, I can afford to replace it. In hindsight, I think it was more than simply the ill-timed transplanting that killed it (although that hurt it, no question), but I'm thinking that in addition that particular location isn't very white pine friendly. The spot is "wetter" than I anticipated. So it was probably a combination of the summer transplant and waterlogged roots.

    The pine in question has many, many branches that are browned all the way out to the tips. If it's a goner, maybe a bald cypress would do better there?

    I'll see if I can get a pic of the tree.

  • 16 years ago

    Your pine is toast.

    If you can find a suitable replacement from your local nursery I would go ahead and plant this fall. Mulch to the drip line and no amendments. When soil dry down to second knuckle... water...I slow trickle with hose over night then repete the process till ground freezes.

    Fall plantings will be settled in by spring which in turn enhances it's chances of survival.

    Dave

  • 16 years ago

    I've been monitoring the moisture in the root zone using my finger, as you suggested. But I wonder, what do you think of those electronic moisture meters? I recently purchased one that says my two "still alive" pines are sufficiently wet deep in the root ball despite the fact that I can't sink my fingers very far into the ball from the top. These were b&b trees, field grown in soil with heavy sand... stuff doesn't really depress even when it's wet.. it has to be dug out with a fingernail...

  • 16 years ago

    A Taxodium or Metasequoia do seem like the better choices.

    Do yourself a favor and look at the buds... I doubt it will recover but if the buds aren't dried up and appear healthy, it may just leaf out next spring/summer. White pines do "hate" wet conditions, however, it may be ok over time.

    While we're at it, would you please add viable information to your profile: zone/locality/ erroneous information such as ph and soil texture?

    Thanks -

    Dax

  • 16 years ago

    Slide a sharp shooter shovel down the side of the root ball. Remove enough dirt to determine if the plant is getting enough moisture to encompass the whole root ball. That in turn will also indiciate if the moisture meter is giving you correct soil moisture readings.

    Dave

  • 16 years ago

    If good buds have formed, then it is likely to green out next year. By "good" buds, I simply mean normal buds that are not dried up.

    Can't tell you what to do but if it were mine, I'd leave it be 'til next spring.

    +oM

  • 16 years ago

    @wisconsitom and @gardener365: How do I tell if the buds are dried up or not? The buds are very small and don't look like much. They are a gray color. I plucked one of them off, and it was green underneath. However, I'm not really sure if the bud itself was dried up. How to tell?

    Also, how do I add my zone/soil/etc. information to my profile? I don't see a user CP like in many other internet forums, and when I click on "my page," I don't see a profile per se.

  • 16 years ago

    Sorry I did not get back to you sooner John. But yes, those buds do sound dried up. That's really the definitive thing.....if they're dried up husks or plump and healthy. I think you've got it covered though.

    +oM

  • 16 years ago

    Well, my sawz-all got a work out today. That thing is great for chopping down small trees. LOL.

    There is now a brandywine maple in its place. It seems like it will be a very nice red maple cultivar, known for holding its color for 6 weeks or more.

    Now I need to see if I can find my receipt for the pine so I can tote the carcass back up to Home Depot for a refund.