SCG, that is a lot of diggin'!

I am considering Corn Hill as well. They have some varieties that are hard to find. I would love to hear of others experiences as well with the nurseries mentioned above, or if there are any other sources that ship.

On my list for next year is to visit Eagle Lake Nursery. If I ever get the chance, I would also love to visit Pan American Nursery in BC, it appears to be a source for many of the roses I see in the retail nurseries. I should have picked up Heritage at Bylands nursery in the Okanagan when I saw it there.

Huge plans for myself. I want a rose garden. There is room for about 20 more. My wishlist, in no particular order:

- Königin von Dänemark, or Heritage, or Gertrude Jekyll, or Dr. Merkeley
- Mme Hardy, or Crocus, or St. Cecilia
- Marie Bugnet
- Polareis or Prairie Peace
- Olds Centennial Rose
- Cuthbert Grant
- Lambert Closse
- Hansaland
- Bill Reid or Morden Sunrise
- Champlain or Hunter
- More Winnipeg Parks or Prairie Celebration
- Therese Bugnet

On how things are going with some roses planted this year:
Rugelda - great, vigorous, lots of new shiny growth, even a tiny bud popping out considering the September planting
Quadra - suffering a bit, first rose to get yellow leaves, perhaps because it is in a less sheltered location or because I was too rough on the roots when planting
Winnipeg Parks - all three are doing fantastic, lots of new red growth
Prairie Princess - stable. Leaves starting to turn reddish with the weather.
Emily Carr - Put on lots of growth, even after that crazy early snow. Some slight blackspot, which seems under control now with suphur spray and removing diseased leaves.

Most roses are on sale at the retail nurseries nearby, but are quite picked over or defoliated. I wonder has anyone had success with buying & planting mid-October roses?

PNR

I did some digging, and came across these. Has anyone tried?

Thimble Farms http://www.thimblefarms.com/shrubs.html

Botanus http://www.botanus.com/categories/Spring-2014/Roses/

Boughen Nurseries http://www.boughennurseries.com/catalogue.htm

David Austin - through the States http://www.davidaustinroses.com/american/advanced.asp?PageId=2224

This post was edited by prairie_northrose on Sat, Oct 18, 14 at 15:14

I've never ordered roses from Botanus but order bulbs all the time. Their customer service is excellent and I've been happy ordering from them for years. I recently referred a friend and she's also very happy.

PNR - That is quite an interesting wish list. I only have one, 'Morden Sunrise', on that list. Unfortunately, after barely making the winter it is the only rose to get black spot in my garden and it looked terrible all year. I will try spraying next year before BS appears and if I can't control it I am going to move it out of its prime location. From what I understand from others it is very unreliably hardy in your zone, such a shame.

The others I have in common are 'Rugelda' it came as a very weak bare root that I thought was going to die. Fortunately it made it and gave me one bloom. Also have 'Emily Carr' it was doing extremely well and blooming its face off BUT it was one of the hardest hit roses from the 4 legged slugs and was defoliated to 2 leaves.

I can't comment much on many because the huge defoliation from deer really set them back. Especially so when most of my 20 roses that came from that nursery were very weak. I do have to say that 'Rose de Rescht' is becoming a fast favourite!

Thanks for the links on what you found. Nice to see a couple of them carrying lots of species roses.

I don't have experience planting roses in October but the way I look at it is that the nursery is probably going to pile them up and tarp them for the winter. IMHO they have just as good if not a better chance in the ground.

NAF - thanks for the comment on Botanus. They seem quite popular because they are nearly sold out of everything!

I guess I should say what my plans are as well, LOL. From Palatine I have ordered (and confirmed LOL) Claire Laberge, Menja, La Belle Sultane, Gypsy Boy, Beau Narcisse, Belinda, Cornelia, Pink Prosperity, The Bishop, Ghislaine de Feligonde, Ballerina and Lavender Lassie. I have contacted Cornhill Nurseries about getting Harrison's Salmon, Kakwa, Maidens Blush (reason for the order), Carmenetta and Dr. Merkeley. From the local nursery I have Tournament of Roses, Folklore, Hansa, Bonica, Dream Come True and Iceberg. Plus probably the odd impulse buy should keep me busy this spring.

Right now I am cleaning up trees removed to add more sunlight to my yard. Only a dozen 140' tall trees to go! LOL

SCG

Give your Hansa lots of room, SCG. I'm sure mine is about 8' wide!

Wow your Hansa looks great! I hope mine eventually looks like that.

It's a monster! Another thing I have with world domination issues!

I've ordered from Corn Hill - my roses arrived in good shape and have done well, except one (Stanwell Perpetual)died in the first winter, and when it arrived it was quite spindly. The only other "place" I've ordered from is that woman who sells Erskine roses in Alberta. I bought 2 Prairie Peace roses from her, and now I have probably about 6..apparently they grow very readily from root fragments! I dug my original plants out and moved them, and now they have essentially regrown in their old spot. Well, at least they're pretty! They turn a glorious red in the fall, too.

LOL, I planted Hansa this year, and I'm thinking I didn't give it enough room! I only gave it about 6 ft of space. Hmm..

Queen of Denmark - 2 years old, still fairly small but definitely increased from last year. Has yet to bloom! I was impressed that it came back at all though, because somehow I completely blanked on covering it last winter. Oops.

Maiden Blush - 2 years old, has bloomed one single rose last year and this year. Still small, similar growth to QoD. Also wasn't covered last winter.

Doorenbos - 2 years old. Probably the most prettiest/strangest rose color I've seen! Kind of otherworldly in person. However, the flowers are VERY short-lived. They don't turn ugly, they just lose their petals very soon. Nice reddish fall color, very small leaves.

Double Scotch Pink - 2 years old. Limped along last year, and took off this year. Pretty!

Purple Pavement - Pretty color, but doesn't seem to produce many flowers for me so far. Does bloom all summer, but quite sparsely.

Roseraie de L'Hay - 2 years old. Hasn't really taken off yet. The deer aren't helping, though.

Wasagaming - 2 years old, seems to be more vigorous than Roseraie, even though it has been deer trimmed as well. Nice, rounded shrub.

Emily Carr - A favorite. Beautifully shaped and colored roses all summer, nice healthy foliage. Nice shrub.

Marie Victoran - Beautiful color when first opening, and a beautiful inital open bloom shape. However, the flowers quickly go ugly. Very healthy foliage with a nice glossy sheen. If I recall correctly, has attractive, large hips and nice orangey-yellow fall color.

Prairie Joy - Very nice rose, beautiful flower shape, nice shrub shape. Just a good all-round rose.

J.P. Connell - dies down near the ground every spring, but quickly rebounds. Blooms much of the summer and into the fall. Very healthy foliage. Seems to be fairly narrow and tall growing.

Morden Blush - Very pretty, small compact rose. The flowers are beautiful, delicate and well formed, but they do lose their shape and color fairly quickly. Lots of blooms. Decently healthy foliage, mine sometimes gets black spot on the lower leaves later in summer.

Hope for Humanity - one of the prettiest roses we can grow, IMO. Might just be my individual plant, but I wouldn't say it has the healthiest foliage. One year it got powdery mildew really bad, another year it got black spot and defoliated the bottom half. I still love it for its flowers.

Prairie Peace - see top of post. Very, VERY hard rose once established, never any dieback, beautiful flowers, nice red/burgundy fall color. A monster shrub..that is why I had to move it. Just kept getting taller and wider! Can look somewhat scraggly at times(typical spinosissima type).

Probably no new information there, but I can't help but run through them all. I like having to remember them all off the top of my head! I would love to get some Gallica's and more Albas. I'd like to buy Belle Amour if I can get it from Corn Hill next year. I love the rugosas in fall, so I'm sure I'll acquire more of them as well!

This post was edited by weeper on Tue, Oct 21, 14 at 20:24

Nice list and info weeper. I love to hear how roses do for others. I won't go through all mine as I put a lot in this year. I will say that the difference in the nurseries i received them from is very, very evident right now. From the one nursery I ordered 19 roses, 5 didn't break dormancy and a majority of the rest are pretty spindly with 2 or so canes that have a few leaves on each cane. I am quite concerned I am going to lose a majority of them this winter. The deer also didn't help severely defoliating them mid summer but all the roses from the other nursery bounced back much better.

I only have the one gallica 'Tuscany Superb' it is doing pretty good considering how it started.

I do have Belle Amour you are wanting. It was another unfortunate rose that was in a spot the foster dog we had liked to run and had many canes broken off. I did cage it which saved it from the dog and the deer invasion, since then it has flourished. The other alba's 'Semi-plena', 'MMe Legras de St. Germain' and mislabeled Maidens blush which I (we) think is 'Suaveleons' are doing very well. Granted all but the mislabeled came from the same place.

I do like the Rugosa's as well unfortunately only one 'Dr Eckner' is really doing well. 'Roseraie de l'Hay' has one spindly cane about 12" long and was nibbled on then got rust. I fear it won't make winter but at least it is available locally. 'Rugelda' and 'Mont Blanc' really took advantage of the nice fall and took off in the past month or so.

All my hybrid musks and hybrid perpetuals are doing very well. 'Felicia' is teasing me with buds that may open. 'Rose de Rescht' also has buds and is becoming one of my favourites. Lots of blooms in a beautiful mound shape bush.

I also agree about 'Emily Carr'. She must taste good because of all the roses the deer took all but 2 leaves off her. She bounced back a bit and is blooming right now.

'Hot Cocoa' has some of the nicest foliage of all I have. I used to like 'Morden Sunrise' for its foliage but it had terrible black spot all year.

I snicker every time I look at 'Stanwell Perpetual' when the deer came they took a go at eating it. Beside the plant I found a couple piece of cane with blood on them. The deer got to all but 5 roses and of the 30+ they hit Stan was the only one not defoliated.

I'd love to get the name of the place you got the peace from.

I will take a breath now LOL

SCG

SCG - The woman that sells Prairie Peace is named Sheila Holmes, I think she lives somewhere around Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. The last email address I had from her(in 2013) was:

erskineroses@gmail.com

At that time, she was also apparently selling roses on kijiji, I guess she'd probably have an ad up in the spring? For some of the roses she has I know there is often a wait list, so hopefully you can get her through the email.

If you can't get her, remind me in the spring and I can try to ship a couple to you. I've never shipped plants before, so I'm not sure how that would pan out...

EDIT - Just noticed one more thing about Purple Pavement; it has pretty, large, bright red hips.

This post was edited by weeper on Thu, Oct 23, 14 at 13:11

SCG: Wow 1 to 36 is impressive! Would love to see pictures. I went from 1 regular old Pink Double Knock Out rose last summer to 13 different roses including climbers and old garden roses.

Sorry to hear about your deer chomping them down. I have two small John Davis roses in pots that the squirrels keep digging them up and eating all of their leaves. They're on their third recovery now this summer... hoping they make it over winter.

I have plans to get:
Félicité Parmentier
Jalitah
Silver Shadows
Sweet Fragrance

Next summer for sure. I'm sure I'll find an excuse to buy a few more that aren't on my list yet since it's only October. I'm going to have to get creative though if I want to keep expanding because I already feel like I'm running out of room for anything except minis!

Hope winter goes fast. I included a picture of Champagne Wishes.

Michaela :o)

Hi there,
Just wondering if anyone has had any experience overwintering Charles de Mills (zone 3b, Regina). I love gallicas, and know that they're not very hardy here - just wondering if I covered it in a box filled with compost if that might do the trick. The other ones I was thinking of giving a try (from Cornhill nursery, probably) are William Baffin, Fruhlingsgold, Queen of Denmark, and Polestar, which I think would be easier to grow here. Also wanted to know if anyone had any recommendations for clematis varieties to grow intertwined with William Baffin. Was thinking of Jackmanii Superba. I'm fairly new to roses and also to this climate zone! Thanks :)

This post was edited by AmyR_A on Sun, Dec 21, 14 at 15:32

I am sure there are lots of help available here one the roses you question. I am sure William Baffin and Polestar are hardy to your zone, but I am working off of memory.

Good luck.

SCG

Those two roses, William Baffin and Polestar are probably the two hardiest climbing roses there are. And beware, Willie B is a thorny devil and he may reach out and grab you!!

Thanks for the tips! I appreciate the lists people on here posted as well - very useful. Think I might give 'Prairie Joy' and 'Emily Carr' a try as well :)

After browsing for ages, just ordered from Cornhill:

Hansaland
Marie Bugnet
Wasagaming

I was hoping for a trip to Eagle Lake nursery in the spring, but learned they have recently shut down it's retail side.

Some great choices there Prairie_northrose. I tried a few times to order from Cornhill in early fall and never got any response to emails. They did say they were closed till april on the website, however. So....I shall try again!!!

SCG

Found another place that ships, minatures, the Heather Farm, http://www.theheatherfarm.com/roses/index

Great link!

I should work for the govt. although I have spent this years budget already I am figuring out a way to rationalize spending next years on the possibility of saving money...NOT!

SCG

One more stumbled upon.. Veseys... https://www.veseys.com/ca/en/store/springbulbs1/roses

It is hard to find places in Canada that will do mail order :(

twrosz, very, very nice roses. To help the rose industry out when are you going to hang your shingle up? I think it is about time...

SCG

Good idea! There are lots of his roses i'd be willing to test in my garden! LOL

Good idea marciaz3 you can test for cold hardiness and I can test it for gardener hardiness!

Maybe, I'll have a rose worthy of introduction by the time I make it to 80 years old, if I last that long. A few of them don't look too bad, though only a couple have good disease resistance ... so, health is now where much the focus is directed upon when selecting breeding stock.

Twrosz don't forget what is bad in your garden might be spectacular in marciaz3 and my garden!

How long till you're 80, Terry? Maybe we can wait! LOL Of course, we would never get impatient!

Nope never impatient, I hate downy mildew and prefer begonias now!

I'm of Ukrainian background ... so, it's turdy years before the big 80, lol.

Sigh.... I might be just looking out at gardens from my rocking chair by then. Better send me a nice rose to tide me over to my old age!

I just added another rose to my corn hill order, Polareis. They were very accommodating in adding it to my previous order. I see they have some different varieties and shifted some around on their website. Tworsz, your roses are stunning.

Prairie_northrose, 'Polareis' is a very nice rose and something quite different from the rest, I've seen it in a few garden and had to purchased it for myself!

The rose seedlings are lots of fun in that you never know what'll come forth.

Tworsz, I am impressed by the healthy foliage in the photos of your roses. May I ask - what do you feed your roses, or how you treat your soil?

I noticed in the above photos there is no mulch, is that for a chosen reason? I read elsewhere mulch may hold onto blackspot, and am re-examining my own methods.

Prairie_northrose, I generally do not fuss very much with the soil for my rose seedlings, it's just spaded over with some peat moss added if need be. Though, the soil does tend to be lean and I give them a few light feedings of a triple 20 fertilizer scratched into the surface prior to watering. Otherwise, for specimen plants, I'll turn the soil over about 15 inches deep and amend with peat moss and compost or manure. The above roses were some of my healthier seedlings, especially the light pink one. Normally, I mulch whatever flowerbeds I can to keep the weeds down, though I haven't had enough mulch on hand to do the roses and maybe that's a good thing due to the possibility of the mulch harboring black spot spores.

Thank you Tworsz, that is excellent to know! As a new rose gardener, I need to learn not to fuss over my roses too much. It is good to know that I am on the right track, thank you for sharing.

I have also been amending my beds with peat moss and cow manure. I heard good things about coconut coir, and may test that in the future in place of peat moss as I hear it deteriorates less quickly.

I am interested in starting seedlings one day. There are a number of vigorous wild fragrant roses growing in partial shade at a nearby treed gravel road. It would be interesting to combine their pollen with some of the newer varieties to see what happens.