Larry,

"Paradicsom Marmande" is one I have grown. In fact, it is on my grow list for 2011.

Marmande ia a very old French heirloom originally released by the Vilmorin seedhouse in the late 1890s, I think. I'll find and link info about it from Victory Seed because their descriptions and history are so accurate. "Paradicsom" is just the German word for "loveapple", which is a phrase used in some countries to describe tomatoes. At one time, we called them love apples in this country too, but now we call them tomatoes.

With regards to the pepper, without knowing its variety name, I don't know if I've grown it. The name "Edesalma Paprika" means (loosely translated) sweet pepper. I don't know if there is a variety name beyond that on the envelope, or if it is merely known as "Sweet Pepper". Edesalma Paprika is a globe-shaped pepper that ripens from yellow to red and which resembles, to my eyes, a round but slightly oblate tomato. Its DTM is 78 days, although I don't know if that is for the yellow stage or the red stage. It is a variety from the GDR, which we knew as "East Germany" before the Berlin Wall came down.

The paprika pepper I've grown that most resembles the Googled photo of Edesalma Paprika that I found is 'Alma' paprika. Combined with the name 'Edesalma' and the similary in appearance, it wouldn't surprise me if the packet of seed you have is, indeed, "Alma" paprika. Among other places, you can see a photo and description of Alma paprika at the website of Seed Savers Exchange.

Hope this info helps.

Dawn

Here is a link that might be useful: Marmande at Victory Seed

I wrote you a message but accidently deleted it. This age thing is getting me, I guess.

I couldn't find a translation for either veggie and sometimes in Europe a sweet pepper is called paprika, but my guess is that it is going to be more like the Hungarian Pepper that I am linking from Baker Creek and used for drying and grinding into powder.

Marmande is a french heirloom tomato, red, about 6 oz, considered early at 67 days, indeterminate, and grows in clusters.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hungarian Pepper

Too funny. Dawn and I posted together again. You had better take her word for it, because I haven't grown either vegetable. My source said the tomato was indeterminate and grew in clusters, hers said semi-determinate. There is that confusing terminalogy again. Trust Dawn, she's the real deal.

Carol,

It is too funny. It is scarey how often you and I do that.

It's only because I've grown Alma that I thought his variety might be similar. I like Alma but haven't tried drying it and grinding it. I like using them for stuffed peppers.

You know that I buy a lot of Franchi-Sementi seeds from "Seeds From Italy" (www.growitalian.com), and they have their variety info on their seed packets in all kinds of European languages, but not in English. I about go crazy trying to figure out what the words on the packages mean sometimes. Luckily, Seeds From Italy slaps a printed label in English onto the Italian seed packets, or I wouldn't know anything much at all about the F-S varieties.

Know what would be cool y'all? To be able to buy seeds from Vilmorin itself. Of course, shipping and inspection fees probably would make them the most expensive veggie seeds ever.

Dawn

Thanks, the info is a big help.

My neighbor, DIL is from Hungary and she said she liked these peppers better than the ones she buys here, but they could not get them to grow. I dont remember if they had a comment on the tomato.

There was another pepper in the packet "Feher edes paprika", I have no idea what it is either, but the picture of it is not as pretty. I will try all these seed and if they come up I will give them some plants.

Thanks again ladies.

Larry

I used the Google translator....it translates as "White Sweet Pepper"

Sharon

It might be the same Hungrian pepper sold in this country as Feher Ozon (sometimes sold with the two words separate, and sometimes sold with the two words combined as Feherozon).

Feher ozon has a variable shape, sometimes appearing more long and kind of pointy and at other times looking more like a long, narrow bell. It matures from white to orangeish to red.

Dawn

Here is a link that might be useful: Feherozon at SESE

Dawn, the picture of the Feherozon looks like the picture on the seed pack, except there is no red on the pack.

I will have to make notes to put with these peppers and tomatoes.

Thanks ladies for the help.

Larry