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Eradicating Salmonberry and Hardhack

20 years ago

We live on a rural road that has a ditch running alongside it. In this ditch, salmonberry (rubus spectabilis) and hardhack (spirea douglasii) dominate, with some blackberries mixed in. In one section of this ditch, I want to clear it out and plant a hedge of cornus alba 'Elegantissima'. In the other section, I'd like to have it cleared so that I could plant a mixed border on the slope above the ditch.

Does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of these two determined natives? In other areas of the property, I've been able to pull the shallow, woody roots of the salmonberry out by hand, but these seem tougher. I don't have the hardhack anywhere else, so don't have any experience with it. I don't usually use chemicals, but have resorted to them for the blackberries in other areas, in as limited a broadcast as possible.

Comments (14)

  • 20 years ago

    Time for a backhoe.

  • 20 years ago

    Does a lot of water run in the ditch in the winter? If so, the brush is probably holding the soil in place. This is a big problem.

    If erosion isn't a problem, I would water the brush to get it actively growing, then spray with Roundup, wait a couple of weeks, then cut the brush down. If it resprouts, spray again. That will kill most of it. You will have to keep watch for the occasional sprout over the next couple of years. And the weeds will try to take over as soon as the ground is bare. You can use a heavy mulch of wood chips, assuming it won't get washed away. But weed control in a ditch, without chemicals, doesn't sound like fun. Maybe a weed control fabric would work, anchored with something heavy, like stones. That might also help control erosion.

  • 20 years ago

    Do not use glyphosate (RoundUp etc.) where the spray will fall on water.

  • 20 years ago

    A backhoe, even a small one, may not be a great idea up next to the road. The soil is sodden in the winter, but there's rarely running water. We have basically used lilydude's method on blackberries, and I had thought of something similar for this area. We used the cutoff blade on the string trimmer to cut the brush down in one area. The soil is pretty dry right now, so I did think about spraying the new growth. Otherwise, I could dig out what I can, plant the hedge a bit farther back from the road and then just commit to cutting the salmonberry and hardhack down repeatedly. I don't know how DH would feel about that. Maybe he'd make me learn to run the trimmer.

  • 20 years ago

    You might consider creating a mixed hedge of hardhack, salmon berry, and cornus alba. Rather than having to clear the entire stretch you could hand-dig the space needed for each c.alba. I think mixed hedges are more visually interesting.

  • 20 years ago

    Of course the situation would have to lend itself to a backhoe. It also remains true that if you cannot dig them out by hand or kill them with herbicide then what you are left with is digging them out with a machine or killing them with tethered or fenced goats. This last method would also not be too good right next to a road.

  • 20 years ago

    What's wrong with Salmonberry? It has pretty flowers in spring that attract hummingbirds, and berries that attract birds. Besides, dogwoods often get anthracnose.

  • 20 years ago

    While not impervious redtwig dogwoods do not have the disease problems of flowering and Pacific dogwoods, and do have a suckerous, thicket-forming habit--as do salmonberries, which also have numerous easily detached prickles which are ideal for penetrating and remaining stuck in certain kinds of rubber gloves.

  • 20 years ago

    Salmonberry is a native, which makes it inherently better than blackberries, but it still behaves like a thug on my property. The existing hedge of salmonberry is old and has continually been hacked down to 3ft by the PUD, so it's less than attractive. It's not much of a bird habitat, since it's right next to the road, and I have lots of it in the woods. I don't feel guilty about removing a native and replacing with a friendly non-native in this case.

    My plan is to cut down the grass and fresh growth with the weedwhacker, then cut the salmonberry "trunks" as low as possible with the loppers. Then I'll use the weedwhacker to keep it all low. I may spray it, but I'll decide that later. The new hedge will probably be planted inside the old hedge line. It will give a buffer from the traffic (which is not heavy in our rural area) and be safe from the PUD that way.

  • 20 years ago

    There's also one in the White House. Deer can be reluctant to stick their heads into large evergreen shrubs, hiding favored browse among big dark bushes can make it possible to grow them.

  • 20 years ago

    Oh, I get it, a talking Bush! Very funny. Anything to thwart deer is good in my book. I can't understand why they prefer the things I plant to native plants they are supposed to eat. I'm resigned to their eating the lower apples on my apple trees, I wish they were content with that.

  • 20 years ago

    Plants that have evolved with them have defensive chemicals that others may not.

  • 2 years ago

    Try to plant for pollinators - you need natives to be successful in bringing back native bees and other native pollinators. From what I've learned at the University of Washington Herbarium program, this is the only way to do this so it makes a real difference.

    I know enough now, after having a plant nursery and seeing what Round-Up is capable of doing even the fine mist carried 100-150' away from area being treated - e.g., damage to native and other dogwoods - and learning about what it does to humans when used on food crops - I would stay away from it except in worse situations.

    The top of our watershed - Cedar River in WA - has enormous of noxious knotweed - this is cut down by the County, as low as possible for 2 years in a row. The 3rd year, what is still coming up is treated with Round-Up, but being very specific as to precise spots that require it.

    Never use Round-Up near or in water - it will destroy native aquatic vegetation and marine life.

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