Wrong Mango, I'm Pissed Off, nahhh Valencia
Guys,
I am so pissed off!!! Okay, before I know about Pine island, I went to some local nursery somewhere in Kendall near bird road to buy me grafted mango tree. I got there like 3 years ago around the time we had many hurricanes... I purchased a Haden Mango and was happy. They even had the haden tag on it. The tree started grow, then hurricane cut its head off... This hindered its normal growth a little. Okay, so this year like all other trees, it is the first time it is bearing fruit! I love this tree so much and spoil it... It looks heatlhy and really good. I take excellent care of this tree and spend money to buy a kind of products to promote good health for my favorite tree. Tree is really tall not and is loaded with new buds and the older buts are like mangos now... Okay, so I look at the darn mangos, and it is not haden!!! Those bastards sold me some other three!!!! I felt hurt and heart broken and was pissed!!!!!!! I will post the picture in a bit. I know its only a tree, but its the principal of it... being sold something that is not. It turns out the mangos look like Valencia Pride. I am confident it is a valencia Pride.
Any of you have Valencia Pride? Can you post a pick of the young mangos? what do you guys think of it? Do you all like it better then Haden? Oh well, Please send me your reply. I will try and post the picture. Hope this does not happen to you all.
Comments (42)
- 17 years ago
Sorry, I can't see your pics until I get home from work. Sucks if you got a mislabeled tree, but for me I would take a valencia pride over a haden any day.
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ya I just bought a grafted Glenn from a local nursery but unlike the others with a care card with the cultivar and a couple tidbits of info about it, there was just a ribbon with "Glenn" written with a sharpie on it.
All they had was Valencia Pride and Keitt, plus one Tommy and my Glenn.
I hope I didnt get a mislabeled tree as well.
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoSo, are does red ones Haden? They sure do not look like Haden to me!!! If any of you own a haden please confirm cause I know Haden's are round. Anyone have Valencia Pride pics while young?
So, the Valencia Pride is better then Haden? I am no expert, please explain. I know the valencia is huge. I mean, it taste pretty good... Give me your opinion.
- 17 years ago
I'm no expert, but I"ve seen a VP mango tree last year in my area and the fruits looks similar to yours...Check out the picture from Pine Island...by the looks of your picture it does resemble "Valencia Pride", It definitely doesn't look like the haden on their website, like you said Haden is more round. Both trees can get very large I think...
Valencia prides from what I've read are very good mangos, but taste is subjective...everyone has a different opinion on what their fav's are. Lucky for me, I love almost all of them, lol...
Here is a link that might be useful: Valencia Pride (From Pine Island Nursery)
- 17 years ago
Any chance the hurricane ripped the graft off and now you have rootstock Mango?
- 17 years ago
These photos may not help because the fruits are still small but here they are anyway. These are the largest fruits I have on the tree thus far (in zone 10A)
VP Mango
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Oh, BTW, I like the VP mangoes. Hope this helps.....
- 17 years ago
There's probably no way that you will ever know 100% what you have. I hope they taste good for you. I'd be a little pissed as well, but if they end up being great tasting mangoes I wouldn't worry too much about it. You do know for sure that it is a grafted tree right? I was just thinking it may possibly be a seedling from haden which could give fruit shaped like yours.
- 17 years ago
I second what stanofh said, could the hurricane have topped your mango tree above the graft? That can very well be the case. If so, you can easily top your tree and graft Haden on top and your tree should bounce back really fast. Also, its hard to judge a variety when the fruits are small. Lack of certain nutrients can cause the young fruits to take on a certain color. If the pH of your soil is not optimal, that can also affect the color of your fruit and leaves. I guess, you'll just have to wait and see. Usually if a tree is tagged, its pretty safe to assume it is the variety it is labled. I hope your fruits turn out to be fantastic!
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoNo, the hurricane did not top of the above graft. I know for a fact it is grafted because when it was young, I was able to see whee the made the cuts and where the new growth begin. Only the very top of the tree came off. At the time, it did not have any branches but just one big branch. The Rootstock incision was in the ground, so it is what it is.
Thanks for the pics, the pic I gave you is actually the largest fruit in the tree. Many of them resemble yours I think. The one thing about the tree which is weird is that, it is healthy and never gets sick. The leaves from the true has always look good. Infact, come to think of it, the people in that nursery only spoke spanish, and when I was looking for haden, in a batch of haden... One of the non-speaking delivery dudes gave me a hint to take that one since it looked healthier than the one I really wanted. Oh well!
I do love all mangoes, but it is just the principle of it all that got me upset. Any good pics of the leaves? Did all the buds just started coming? I had a few initial buds but now all the others just started popping. I will try to post more pics as time go on.... Wait, I think I have a younger fruit pic in my phone, let me look and post it then you can tell me if it is... Of found it, uploading now. I really appreciate your help!


- 17 years ago
dr_scifi, I will get a picture of the leaf and post it for you. But, your tree looks exactly like mine. The leaf looks the same, everything. But it so hard to tell with these trees.
I know the mature fruits are elongated. And growthwise, it always looks very healthy like you said.I got it in a county tree give-away and knew nothing about it but like I said, I like it. I give it about a 31/2 to 4 on taste.
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoOkay Trini,
Thanks! I guess its a Valencia Pride. 3/12 to 4 out of 5 or 10? :-) At least it bears fruit.... Oh Well.
- 17 years ago
Valencia Pride is a great mango. I wouldn't own a Haden for me, I realize people that grew up with them love them. VP is a very vigorous grower too.
- 17 years ago
That would be out of 5. It really is a nice mango that I would choose over Haden.
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoFor my second tree, most of the little mangos started falling. Oh well, I freaking give up. It is what it its :-(
- 17 years ago
You may not realize it yet but one day you will be really glad you got a Valencia Pride instead of a Haden. The VP mango is a much better tree. The flavor is exquisite, the shape and color of the fruit are definitely the most beautiful and the tree is more disease and fungus resistant than Haden. The tree also is great for shade with a more open canapy and great for climbing too. Just remember to pull down new vertical branches with some weights so they will grow horizontal. You'll get more fruit from horizontal branches and they are easier to pick from. VP mangoes also don't have any or very little fiber so they are much more enjoyable to eat...no fibers stuck in your teeth. You wait and see, you'll LOVE your VP tree.
Oh, and most mango trees drop lots of little fruit, they always set more fruit than they can finish.
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoI C thanks! I am realizing that now. I just wish I get at least one or 2 mangoes from it. I will try to post some pictures. Do you have any current picture of your VP Tree? I am also realizing that everyone seems to have a HAden in south florida, where the VP are not as abundant. So yes, you are right.
-Rich
Post some pics if you can.
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoAny one have pics of their valencia mangos? I just want to confirm mine is the right one since it got so big.
- 17 years ago
Sorry this picture came out so dark, but I hope it helps


I tasted one already and I will actually up it to a 5 out of 5 mango. It was excellent. And so far, the squirrels are being kind to me by leaving it alone.
- 17 years ago
Wow, nice tree, but it is so hard to tell. The only difference I clearly see it that all of my mangoes have the reddish tinge that you see in the picture but I guess that can be from the sun. I my no expert is that arena.
Also, is that a branch that grew under the graft area?
dr_scifi
Original Author17 years agoThe branch did not grow from underneath the graft area. This happened when the hurricane cut the top when it was a young tree.
Here are some pics of them:
Are they really Valencia? Many of them are Green.
I am such a happy camper now that all my trees bared fruit. This was a great year for mangoes. The only weird thing I notice some mango tree species this year lost their flavors.
Carrie is the best mango ever!!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24444471@N03/


Here is the 7 year old tree that never beared fruits but now has:
What is it?

Is it cogshell?

Here are more of my trees:
from my valencia and carrie

carrie





- 10 years ago
I also got a mis-labeled large Valencia Pride that was supposed to ge an Edwards. But VP is a much better tree than a Haden so they did you a favor in your case. Took 4 years to bear fruit and find out their mistake. I wasn't very happy either.
- 9 years agolast modified: 9 years ago
A VP is a Haden. A VP is a off shoot if you will originating in 1937 from a Haden and is considered the mango all others are compared to in terms of flavor etc.. I wouldn't be too upset you got a better tree in most people's minds as long as you have the room for it as VP gets huge
- 9 years ago
Wow, this thread originally started 8 years ago, I think its great when old threads get resurrected :o)
Here's my Cogshall...a couple more weeks
Glenn...a couple more weeks
Keitt...won't ripen till Sept to Oct

- 9 years agolast modified: 9 years ago
Here is the only mango tree I have currently. It is a 6" tall grafted Valencia Pride. I also have 2 Valencia Orange trees, Barbados Cherry tree, and a Myer's Lemon tree....obviously I live in South Florida

- 9 years ago
I love my Valencia Pride tree. I maintain it under 15 ft. I grew up eating Haden's but Valencia Pride is my favorite. It is sweeter and more delicious than Haden. I keep tipping the tree since planting it and it produces well even under adverse conditions. Last year I had close to 400 mangoes that I managed to harvest by hand. The only drawback is people keep trying to steal my mangoes instead of asking. On the positive side, the mangoes paid for my highlights in my hair. Asians love them and I bartered mangoes for haircuts.
- 9 years ago
I wish Mangoes were sold here Brian in sizes like that. Those are much better off to handle a Med climate winter then the usual 2-3' stick seedlings sold in oversized pots to get the $40 out of you-lol.
- 9 years ago
Here is my mango tree. Its a Kensington pride. I never had fruits. Are there any secrets on having fruits. Haha, why me?
- 9 years ago
Too young. Is it getting enough sun and warm? Plus it looks a little chlorotic.
- 9 years ago
Fertilize. A good citrus food or even Azalea with extra iron in it.
For years,I've posted I have Baileys..but as the tree got larger,the fruit went from sort of round...to what I see now. Its more Valencia Pride looking right now.
Time will tell. Fruit are still green. But they ain't round.
- 7 years ago
Well I bought a Valencia Pride tree today from my local nursery here in East Central Florida. I had pre-ordered an Alphonso mango in a 30 gallon container and a Phoenix mango in a 7 gallon container. As it happens they had received a huge delivery of mangoes that also included my order. So in addition to the previously mentioned mangoes I also purchased a second Alphonso in a 15 gal container and a Valencia Pride in a 15 gallon container. I ignored the Haden mango tree next to it because I thought that tree gets too big. I had been thinking about getting a Valencia Pride for a long time. I didn't realize they got so big though. No matter I have an empty spot in my front yard where my old Aberquina Olive tree used to be. That tree died earlier this year and there isn't much around it so that is where I will plant it. Normally I don't like to put mango trees in parts of my yard which are not fenced because my past experience in South Florida tells me the fruit is likely to be stolen by random strangers who live near by. They seem to think that if the tree is accessible then it's ok to steal the fruit from it. I think in East Central Florida where I live now though things might be different. For one thing there are fewer people here and second there are no sidewalks in my neighborhood so few people take leisurely strolls around the neighborhood. But most important of all though the paved street in front of my property can serve as a heat source during cold (such as it is in Florida) winter nights. The sun will bake the asphalt during the day and the asphalt will radiate that heat out during the night.
That will hopefully keep the air temperature a little higher around the tree and prevent limb damage or the death of flowers. All things considered I am happy I purchased the Valencia Pride. I grew up in South Florida and we always had mango trees in our property. One of my favorite varieties from when I was a boy is the Kent mango which makes a really big piece of fruit. By all accounts the VP makes a similar large fruit. That's good because I have also have Glenn mango trees right now in my property which makes rather small fruit. It is nice to have a mix it up a bit and get a tree like VP that will make a big piece of fruit. Unlike the Kent which has more roundish fruit the VP fruit is sigmoidal. Some people think that looks pretty but I don't care that much about the shape of the fruit. I just care about what it taste like. - 7 years ago
Again,for 9b Florida a fast growing Mango- and world wide VP is,that's what you want to outgrow a winter freeze. 9b can get really cold nights.
- 5 years ago
How do you take care of it to get it fruit or get bud? I have a mango trees. but it’s never give me fruit. Please give me some tips. What product you use or what you do to get it fruits. thanks
- 5 years ago
Pakou...either more time. OR you have to learn to graft. For that you should join the fruitgrowers society- exotic fruits.
Every Mango tree I've had,has fruited eventually. Now,they have been Manila's or Ataulfo's only..but still they got there. I'm almost sure any other types would fruit also. Taste and amounts would be varied I'm sure.
Don't give up.if the tree is healthy,there is a way.
Maybe even just buy a grafted variety.
- 4 years ago
Everlidis, it "looks" like a Valencia Pride mango by the google pictures I've seen, but not an expert. I do not have this variety.









dr_scifiOriginal Author