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16 years ago

I planted heirloom seeds on 3/5/10 from Tomato Growers and have had most germinate and grew their coty's but then they seem to have stopped growing. They are just pitiful. Here they are five and a half weeks old and they are no more than 2 inches tall and most haven't developed their true leaves yet. Plus they are just a horrible color.

I started them a little differently this year. I decided I'd cut out the potting up phase and plant in 3" pots. I started the seed used 75% potting soil with the fertilizer pre-mixed in, the feed for 6 months type at the bottom of the cup with about 25% of the top being the seed starter mix which the seed was placed in.

Most germinated in appropriate time (I had a problem with Stupice). But then growth stopped. Some even turned yellow then brown and died, typical effects from being burnt (I'm sure from the soil) I replanted hoping for the best with most of the same results. I kept hoping that as soon as they got their real leaves, they would benefit from the fertilizer and take off. Some were giving hope for this, as they remained green and didn't shrivel up. But now here they stay.

A very few were planted with nearly all seed starter mix and that is the one picture that looks like a fairly healthy and much larger plant. I have another picture of the exact same variety planted the exact same day with the 25% / 75% concoction to show the extreme difference.

It must be the soil. But now, I am in dire straights because I sell these plants and they are expected to be ready in 2 and a half weeks. What should I do to get them going? If I transplant to a soil that has no fertilizer or soilless mix (I have Promix available), I'm afraid that will take them a while to get growing again, but then I can't sell them like this!

In an attempt to revive them, I have actually started feeding them a very low dose of miracle grow as I water (everyday) because they looked yellow and like they were nutrient deficient. I also have been using that growth vitamin that you mix about 1 drop to a gallon of water along with fertilizer.

Please, I need advice and quick. What is my best option? I have never encountered this and I've been starting seed for nearly 20 years. I usually use the cells with seed starter mix, then pot up to styrofoam cups with potting soil with excellent results. I sorely wish I had kept with the tried and true this year and hadn't gotten lazy.

Does anyone have any advice? I have pictures of everything at my photobucket here: (they are so pitiful looking)

http://s975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/jaimehaney_artist/2010%20tomatoes/

Thank you in advance... Jaime

Comments (10)

  • 16 years ago

    I think you have your answer: those seedlings look severely burnt. I would take them out of that medium ASAP and put them in some non-fertilized soil. That organic Jiffy stuff...organic soils tend to be so rich that they can even cause something akin to fertilizer burn. If you added a fertilizer layer, and have been watering with miracle grow (no matter how little a dose), they must be on fertilizer overload. Doesn't take much with plants of that size. Have no idea about the expert gardener potting soil. I would transfer them to some non-fertilized potting soil (NOT miracle grow potting soil). Before you transfer them, I would wash out the potting soil several times to try and remove some of the nutrients - these guys seem overloaded, and could do with just some basic growing medium. If you do that now, they should be able to rebound somewhat in 2.5 weeks.

  • 16 years ago

    zaxsta, thank you for your reply! I was afraid of that but now that I have another opinion, I know that is what I need to do. I had no idea the organic stuff was that rich, maybe the combination of the two was just too much.

    thank you again, happy gardening!
    Jaime

  • 16 years ago

    I agree, I don't fert at all until nearly plant-out time and they do just fine...I think you overfed them.

  • 16 years ago

    Hi Jaime,

    Don't you just hate it when an idea that sounds good goes horribly wrong? I've had a few of those in my time too.

    I suggest that you use a soiless mix. The "potting soil" mixes are too heavy. The soiless types will be lighter, give better oxygen to the roots, and drain better so that the effects of the excess fertilizer can be minimized as much as possible.

    Bets

  • 16 years ago

    kterlep and bets... thank you for responding.

    bets, I was thinking oh boy! I'm going to be so far ahead of the game this year and that's what I get for thinking... haha. It seems I've had lots of good ideas that have gone horribly wrong in my lifetime.. oh well. Have to keep trying though, don't we? Wasn't it something like Thomas Edison saying "and on the 10,000th try, there was light"

    off to transplant... too bad the moon is in Aries today!! another strike! oh well, gotta try.

    thanks all!

  • 16 years ago

    I agree. It's the soil. You are using a potting mix which is already heavily fertilized and meant for mature plants. So your seedlings are experiencing root burns. At this rate, I would suggest you also start a second batch of seeds in soilless mixes, case transplanting your plants don't work out.

    I also used peat pots before with no problems about it being too rich for the plants. I won't be using them any more because they tend to decompose before the plants are mature enough to go outside. Too much mold for me.

  • 16 years ago


    (NOT miracle grow potting soil)

    MG potting soil would be fine if amended. 4/1/1 or 4/2/1 MG/perlite/sand. Jiffy is very poor soil. Someone did a comparison with both and the MG plants are almost twice as big. I can't find the thread. Maybe the author will chime in.

    You have definitely burnt the roots. rinse all the soil off and re-pot with fresh soil.

  • 16 years ago

    I use Jiffy Seed Starting mix every year and have never had poor results. I pot into peat pots from 6-packs or 9-packs and then they go out into the coldframe. I'm thinking mold must be due to lack of air movement. I would move them all to a sunny south window and see if they could be salvaged.
    -Randy

  • 16 years ago

    Found the thread and it's quite obvious MG is better than jiffy.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Seed starting mix comparison (pics)

  • 16 years ago

    I used soiless mix for most of mine and they looked like your pics 4 to 6 days after planting the seeds. I ran out of soiless mix for my last 24 cells and used Green Earth "Potting Mix" for the rest. This product was absolute garbage. Only two seeds sprouted, and they don't look very good compared to the rest. The other seeds all appear to have rotted, and I was careful not to let the "mix" get overly moist. Last time I will make that mistake, but home depot ran out of my regular soiless mix.

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