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the mangosteen downlow

16 years ago

Hi all,

first post ever after lurking for a few weeks sponging up all the great info. so thanks! :)

I just bought a couple mangosteen seedlings from hula brothers/plant it hawaii and thought I might share the pic, as well as a little info I gathered, as good looking specimens and solid details seem pretty hard to come by.

Hula Brothers is selling 3-yr. seedlings for $95/ea, two for $150 including shipping, which from what I have seen around is a good price. Considering the quality of the plants (I bought two figuring I was destined to kill one at least) it is a great price. They really look great, as you can see for yaselfs:

Frankie's in Hawaii is also selling 3-yr. seedlings, for $50 ea. plus shipping, but I haven't seen the plants. This is what Lynn from Frankie's says re: mangosteens:

"The age does not matter too much. We start counting after planting them in the ground here. It takes about 12 years to fruit next to our stream & longer away from the stream. We have planted old mangosteens that were in pots for years, newer 3 ft tall ones, & a large tree dug out of the ground that was already fruiting. They all took the same amount of time to fruit after planting. The one that was already fruiting also took 12 years to start fruiting again after transplanting."

The "near the stream" bit echoes something I read somewhere else, as they seem to like to have the bottom of the taproot close to (or in?) the water table.

I'm going to try growing them in the ground in my forthcoming greenhouse. Just couldn't wait to get the greenhouse to get the plants. :)

Also, alas, this other bit from Lynn at Frankie's: "We have people in Washington, New York, etc. who also have heated greenhouses for their tropical fruit & flower trees. None of them have said they ever got fruit on their mangosteen."

Guess I'll be the first. :)

Comments (22)

  • 16 years ago

    Good luck! I wonder how tall the mangosteen tree is after 12 years.

    Tomas

  • 16 years ago

    That is a really nice looking mangosteen tree. Probably one of the nicest I've ever seen at that age and height in the US. Good luck.

  • 16 years ago

    I was told (again by Lynn) that they should be around 8' at twelve years. Definitely greenhouseable.

  • 16 years ago

    Anyone trying to grow Mangosteen in the continental US has had discouraging results other than Bill Whitman.

    The pavilion named after him at Fairchild Gardens has one that either doesnt hold fruit until maturity for some reason

  • 16 years ago

    Cocobananas:

    I'm glad (kind of, have very mixed feelings) that you left lurkerdom and joined the posting fun here in the forum. Unfortunately, those mangosteens look so good that I am seriously reconsidering my solemn vow to never spend another penny on a mangosteen. After killing so many, I have been listed on the mangosteen mass murderers most wanted list. Seriously, thanks for posting and best of luck with your mangosteen growing and eventual fruiting. And, of course, we'll be expecting periodic reports now that you have come in out of the shadows.

    Harry

  • 16 years ago

    Thanks for the kind welcome Harry.

    And I fully support you in your next mangosteen purchase(s). The mangosteen is without doubt a noble holy grail.

    Maybe the unofficial motto of this forum should be: "tempted by the fruit of another," which I found myself humming after waking up thinking about a 6yr nutmeg I came across online last night.

    mango kush: I'm guessing the one at Fairchild is mixed in with other trees. I wonder if (read: desperately hope) I can do better by catering to it with its own micro-climate.

    Any environment can be recreated, no? I'll check in again with you guys in twelve years. :)

  • 16 years ago

    Im not sure how old the tree is but i dont think its common for an immature tree to produce so much fruit and then drop them before maturity.

    I also couldnt figure out if it was a seedling or not, it may just be an unsuitable variable seedling

  • 16 years ago

    there's always that. total crapshoot, seedlings. tempts me to buy ten, just to play the numbers game.

  • 16 years ago

    everything i read tended to suggest grafted trees do not really have an advantage in survival, they definitely have a disadvantage in price.

  • 16 years ago

    I wish you better luck than I have had. I put my grafted one in the ground this spring and even with our nice hot and humid summers it is just about dead. I had it potted for 2 years and it literally put out one set of new leaves so I figured in the ground would be better with a greenhouse for the winter but I don't think it is even going to make it to winter. I do have one seedling that is doing ok but I am ready for the inevitable death of that one at some point as well.

    I have turned to Achachairu which are simple to grow and supposedly taste just as good.

  • 16 years ago

    We recently seen evidence of grafted mangosteen VS seedling. There is no comparison. The same age seedling trees were 3 to 4 times the size and bearing about the same time.

    Now...Bernie Dizon in the Philippines does multiple rootstock grafting and claims the trees get faster growth and faster fruiting. Unfortunately, those trees are not available here. Just keep the seedlings going. You'll be far less frustrated that way.

  • 16 years ago

    I just did some research on the fruit. Apparently, there is almost no variation in seedlings, since the seed is really not a seed, but an adventitious embryo. There is no pollen, so basically the trees reproduce asexually, and are all female and all identical (a few exceptions occur, but very few).

    I find that when I take the time to find out about a certain tree, it grows better for me. Not because I care for it any differently, but because the tree is happy I took the time! Seems like this elusive tree would benefit from this kind of extra attention.

  • 16 years ago

    Gotta love all these brains coming together.

    Thanks for the info ohiojay. Can you post a link to where you read about the multiple rootstocks? I'd love to read more.

    Ditto Jun: do you have a link for that great resource?

    Just reading more on Bernie Dizon's site, there's an article about a Filipino farmer: "17 of his trees bore fruit in four and a half year of fruiting from planting." Clearly they like the climate a bit more than Puerto Rico and Hawaii. Packing bags now...

  • 16 years ago

    None of the trees in PR are multiple rootstock. They were just a normally grafted plant.

  • 16 years ago

    The 4 1/2 yr. old fruiters were not multi-grafted either. I was just noting the fast fruiting time in the Philipines.

  • 16 years ago

    I found this article online and thought this method of propagation was interesting:

    In Florida, approach-grafting has succeeded only by planting a seed of G. xanthochymus about 1 1/4 in (3 cm) from the base of a mangosteen seedling in a container and, when the stem of the G. xanthochymus seedling has become 1/8 in (3 mm) thick, joining it onto the 3/16 to 1/4 in (5-6 mm) thick stem of the mangosteen at a point about 4 in (10 cm) above the soil. When the graft has healed, the G. xanthochymus seedling is beheaded. The mangosteen will make good progress having both root systems to grow on, while the G. xanthochymus rootstock will develop very little.

    Mangosteen

  • 16 years ago

    Nice! Great info, I may have to check out those nursery's sooner or later. Thanks!

  • 16 years ago

    "Cannot currently be shipped to California."

    GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! WHY!????????????????

  • 11 years ago
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    does this look like a mangosteen seedling? It sprouts under a seedling banana in a pot last year. I put it into the unheated greenhouse during the winter. It grows very slow, looks like it hasn't grown much. Then the banana seedling died in april/may of this year. I then moved it into full direct sunlight. And noticed that the leaves started to burn in a couple weeks. I am now moving it to less sunlight location now. i live in redwood city/menlo park , CA. I often buy mangosteens from chinatown when they are in season and don't remember where I sprinkle the seeds in the backyard.

  • 11 years ago

    I'd doubt it's Mangosteen, wouldn't survive your climate. But it is a bit hard to tell from the leaves because they're damaged and don't look so healthy. If that plant survives maybe it'll be easier to identify when it gets a bit bigger. A Mangosteen would need to have higher temperatures during winter.

  • 11 years ago

    I wanted to try growing mangosteen, but discovered my altitude is too high to get fruit, so I didn't bother. There are so many trees that can give me fruit (and satisfaction) that it doesn't seem worthwhile to grow something that doesn't like my climate.

  • 10 years ago

    cocobana, can you give us status of your tree now that it's been 6yrs?


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