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Early Tomato troubles!

14 years ago

Hello,

I just planted my tomatoes for the season, consisting of three Supersonic, three Joliet, 1 Cherokee purple, and three Patio tomatoes. I just put them out a few days ago, and I gave them a good drink the first night I planted them. It then misted a little bit yesterday and has been very cloudy the last two days, so hardly any sun at all since I've planted them, and fairly cool here in Ohio.....50s at night and only upper 60s during the day.

Tonight I went to check on my plants, and I am concerned that a couple of my Supersonics, some of the leaves at the top of the plant are yellowing around the edges and are curling up. One of my Joliet plants the stems are drooping and the leaves look kind of wilted. Is this a sign they may have gotten too much water right away, especially since it's been cloudy and cool?

I may have made a mistake too by when I dug the holes for the plants, I filled in around the plants with Potting Soil with moisture guard.....I think this may have been a mistake, as I'm afraid the moisture guard might retain too much water in the soil. Not really sure what I can do about that blunder now though....I also spread a little mulch around the plants. This year I laid rows of weed fabric down, and then cut X's for the tomato plants. Tonight I have also wrapped around the base of each tomato cage my soaker hose. Last year I had the hose on a timer set to water for 90 minutes every other day, and the tomatoes seemed to do really well, but that wasn't until later in the summer when it was much hotter. This year I made the mistake also of not bringing in my soaker hose for the winter, and now there are pinholes apparently in the rubber to where streams of water are shooting out in various places along the hose.....coincidentally, each plants seems to be in the path of one of the streams.....so I am also kind of looking on guidance for a water schedule both early on when it's not as hot, and then later on, now that my soaker hose isn't up to par. I am thinking maybe just 5 minutes in the morning, every other day, since they are getting a stream of water now instead of a drip? I have wondered too if maybe I can salvage my hose by installing a flow reducer to the faucet......that faucet currently comes out at extreme flow rate, so maybe if I reduce it at the faucet end, my soaker hose will go back to the slow trickle it's supposed to be. I know this was long winded, and a lot of info, but I appreciate any advice you can give to my early tomato problems, and my watering concerns. Thanks!

Comments (15)

  • 14 years ago

    Good lord, you're going to drown the poor things! :) One good, deep watering when you planted would have sufficed, no need to mist tomatoes, in fact, it's better to avoid wetting their leaves unless you are doing a foliar feeding. Wet leaves invites all sorts of problems, especially with the temps still cool and the weather wet.

    Depending on the type of soil you have, you might be ok with the potting soil. If you have heavy clay as I do, You might consider digging them up and replanting in something less likely to retain water.

    Chances are your plants will perk up when the temperature warms. In the meantime, don't water so much. You might also consider, if you haven't already, something along the lines of actinovate or daconil; especially if that weather persists.

    I have never used a soaker; I plant my tomatoes in 3 ft deep holes and water once a week, between three and five gallons if the temps are under 85 and twice a week with about three gallons each time if the temps are over 85.

  • 14 years ago

    Just let your soil dry out and your toms should start picking up amd growing wildly

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks for the responses!
    I will try cutting back on the water until it starts warming up more.
    How do you feel about those soil moisture meters? Are they even worth investing in to keep stuck out in the garden? Maybe that would give me an idea if my soil is too drenched.

  • 14 years ago

    Well, I haven't watered in about 2 days....I went to check on them tonight, and I'm still very concerned. I stuck my finger in the dirt next to the plant, and the soil still feels what I'd consider "moist" but not saturated by any means. But about half of my plants the leaves are turned upwards, and they are pale yellow on the ends. The Patio Tomatoes don't seem to be having this problem...they actually look surprisingly good, but the Super Sonics, and Joliets are turning up their leaves. What should I do at this point?

  • 14 years ago

    What should you do? Nothing right now as they are still over-watered and trying to recover - that's what the turned up and yellow leaves means. Given all they have had they 'might' need some water next week.

    A "schedule" of watering never works. You water when, and only when, the plants need it, when the soil 6" down no longer feels cool and damp to the touch. And the goal is to get a consistent soil moisture level and is lightly moist only. Not wet, not soggy or drenched, not damp, just barely cool and moist.

    You may lose many of the yellowing leaves but the key will be when you see new, good green growth. When that appears then back off on your watering a bit more, do not feed until you have a good amount of new dark green growth.

    Then take a small tuna or cat food can and bury it so the top is right at the soil level 1/2 along your soaker hose (which sounds like it needs to be replaced by the way). When you water, water only until that can is full. Until the really hot 100 degree days of July and August that is usually all they need per week.

    Hope this helps.

    Dave

  • 14 years ago

    I checked my tomatoes tonight, and a lot of the leaves are still curled/yellow tipped. I stuck my finger down in the dirt next to the plants, and the soil is still pretty moist, and I haven't even watered in a few days! I hope I didn't make too much of a mistake by using what I had on hand when I planted them, which was potting soil. It has "moisture guard"...I hope it's not retaining too much water.
    Here are some pics I took.


  • 14 years ago

    What fertilizer did you use? That looks a little like the problem of too much nitrogen.

  • 14 years ago

    I have not used any fertilizer, except the stuff that would have been in the bagged soil I used. I think it had slow release fertilizer in it. But I have not added anything additional. The soil just seems to be staying wet, and not drying out....I am trying to just leave them alone....but always have that urge to mess with things.

  • 14 years ago

    but always have that urge to mess with things.

    Ah,ah,ah. There is a lesson to be learned here about doing that.

    Like I said above, maybe by next week you'll begin to see a bit of improvement IF the weather cooperates and they don't get more water and/or rain. But these are severely stressed plants with a fair case of root rot going on so luck is also going to be a big part of their recovery.

    But it isn't going to happen over night or even within a couple of weeks so you need to either quit hovering over them or plant some replacement plants somewhere else.

    Dave

  • 14 years ago

    It's supposed to be scattered T-storms tonight :-(

  • 14 years ago

    Question.....since we do seem to have heavy, muddy, clay soil here in Ohio.....If we were to dig up these plants and try to start over, or just plant some new ones somewhere else, is there any bagged mixes that you guys recommend to plant the tomatoes in? Thanks.

  • 14 years ago

    The soil has been tilled last year and the year before, but we didn't do it this spring....but the soil currently is already pretty loose....I don't know if this helps with my question about bagged mixes.

  • 14 years ago

    I checked my tomatoes today and they seem to be getting a little better. The leaves aren't really curled up anymore, and there is not as much yellowing. I haven't watered in 4 days. Cloudy and cooler weather today, but supposed to be blistering hot 94 by Thursday!

  • 14 years ago

    I plant in large containers, about 15 gallons or so and use nothing but 100% miracle grow potting soil with the moisture control and then top it with 2" of cypress mulch.

    I water my plants HEAVY every single day and in the summer when it is 90 degrees plus I water TWICE per day.
    All the excess flows right out the bottom and the plants drink the rest everyday.

    Tomatoes need lots of water and very good drainage.
    You may not have very good drainage in the ground.
    If you plant in the ground it is best to dig a DEEP hole fill the bottom with sand and gravel, about 2 feet worth then fill with good potting soil.

    This plant was 4" tall about 4 weeks ago.
    Its now over 3' tall and about 2+' across.
    I net them to keep out squirrels, birds, moths/butterflies.

    The other one is over 4' tall (max height it is supposed to get) and has about 60+ tomatoes on it.

    A Better Bush variety.

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  • 14 years ago

    wow, those plants look great! I tried a bunch of SWC last year and they were an epic failure. I made them out of Lowes paint buckets. I made a custom mix gathered from various postings I read. The plants started off looking great....lots of dark green foliage, but then when they started bearing fruit, I lost a ton of it to B.E.R.
    I did not plant bush variety though, and instead just had indeterminate kind.