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Help!! Worms leaving the bin.

19 years ago

Hi all,

I'm kinda new at this. I made my own wooden vermicomposting bin (3 vertical layers) and got the worms (eisenia foetida) a month ago and started the bottom tray. The bin is indoors and the temperature has been in the range of 50-70 F. I have been feeding them approx. once a week and they seem to be happy in there. I found maybe a couple of worms that escaped the bin in the beginning, but that was it.

Over the past 3-4 days, the number of worms that have been escaping (and dying) has been much greater. I found about 15 worms on the floor the day before, some 40 worms on the floor yesterday and about 10-15 today, almost all of them dried and dead :(

I did place a lamp turned on last night aimed at the floor, but that did not stop the worms from leaving.

I have been feeding them the usual stuff - fruit and vegetable scraps, tea bags etc. I make sure that the fruits and vegetables are washed before adding the scraps to the bin to get rid of any pesticides on the skin. I keep a container for the scraps in the kitchen and feed it to the worms after collecting scraps for a week.

I did add some pieces of very moldy bread and slimy/rotting leeks about 2 weeks ago. The pieces of bread remained untouched. I added some cantaloupe rinds a few days ago cut into small pieces, and a strip of cantaloupe flesh/fruit (everything buried under newspaper strips) specially as a treat. I have noticed a couple of small flies hovering when I open the lid. I don't know what kind of flies they are. The bin smells a bit, but more earthy than rotting/ unpleasant smell.

I started a bedding on the second level and added some food yesterday to make the worms move up to the second level, and some did, but I still found 10-15 worms dead on the floor today.

It's pretty clear that the environment changed drastically for the worms. I can think of the following, but not sure which one (or more) is the cause-

1. Too hot

2. Too acidic/alkaline

3. Some other microbes that are competing with and driving the worms out

4. Not enough air

I used strips of corrugated cardboard (soaked in water and squeezed) as the bedding, added some crushed leaves and wet newspaper strips (no colored ink) and the worms came in peat moss, which also went in the bin.

I spray the top of the bin whenever I find that the newspaper strips have dried out - maybe once/twice a week. I also add a couple of spoons of wood ash and sand along with the food.

I do drink a lot of tea, so about 2-3 teabags go in the food container everyday, mostly black tea. Not sure if too much caffeine will drive them away :)

Would someone have any ideas as to how I can figure out what I did incorrectly so that I don't make the same mistake again? Seems like I'll have to start a new bedding for them at this point. If you can help me troubleshoot and figure this out, I'll appreciate it a lot.

Thanks.

-Amit

Comments (11)

  • 19 years ago

    The first thing for me, when this happened, was to dig to the bottom and check things out. I discovered that I had a hot spot in one area and the worms did not like it at all. The second time this happened I discovered the bottom was a sludge pit and smelled a little. The top did not smell bad at all. In both cases I turned the bed over and mixed it up, adding bedding in the second case and all the worm exodus stopped. I have had no further worm escapes other than one now and then since that time. I do keep a fairly close eye now on the whole system. I have see many post on worms leaving and it would be worth your time to 'search' them in case neither one of mine are what's causing your problem.

  • 19 years ago

    Bill, thanks for your response and suggestions. I did check some of the posts on the forum, and will search some more.

    I checked the bin with my friend a while ago (who has more experience with this) and we came to the conclusion that it's probably the moldy bread. The worms hadn't eaten much of it, and those that were in that area, were pretty sluggish and didn't respond much to light or poking as they usually do.

    I'll remove the moldy bread from the bin and monitor it to see how it goes.

    Did anyone have (or know) of bad experience with very moldy bread (and I'm talking of bread that had some mold on it, then was left in a container for a week outside, so was REALLY moldy) and worms? Maybe some of the spores/fungus are not good for the worms. *shrug*

    Thanks.
    -Amit

  • 19 years ago

    (virtual vermicomposting here)
    How long have you had the bin running?
    What are the bin temps and what is the moisture like?
    (Wooden bins tend to run drier as the leach moisture.)
    Mold is what worms live for, so, in my opinion, it is not a problem.
    Air and heat would be the things I would keep a check on right now.

  • 19 years ago

    The bin was started little over a month ago, and the worms seemed to settle in. I had only a few escapees till 3-4 days ago, when a mass exodus started.

    I don't have a thermometer (probably should get one soon), but when I sifted through the bin earlier today, the soil didn't seem hot/warm to touch. That may not be the best way to figure out the temperature though.

    The cardboard strips at the very bottom were really dry, so I sprayed some water on them. Rest of the material seemed moist enough - neither dry, nor dripping wet. There were clumps of worms at different places in the bin.

    I have a wooden bin with dimensions of (length, width, depth) 16" x 12" x 3.5", with h/w cloth at the bottom, and some holes drilled on the sides. Maybe I should fluff it up a bit to aerate it some more.

    Thanks for your help, and I'll keep the forum posted on my progress. This community is such a wonderful resource!!

    -Amit

  • 19 years ago

    Amit,

    I feed my worms old bread regularly and never had any problems.

    Marshall

  • 19 years ago

    I was curious about the wood ash. I can't remember ever seeing it recommended as an addition to a worm bin. I would be concerned with the extreme alkalinity of wood ash but then you give no clue as to the concentration--how many spoons, how often and volume of ash to bedding.

    I also feed moldy bread without problems.

  • 19 years ago

    I put about 1-2 teaspoons of wood ash + same amount of sand mixed in with the food once a week.

    I guess it wasn't the moldy bread then....

  • 19 years ago

    They really don't need the woodash or sand. I would drop that from my inputs to the wormies.

  • 19 years ago

    Most of the websites I referenced mentioned that worms need some grit to grind the "food" they eat. That's why I add a bit of sand.

    Is there anything else (like soil) that I could add instead? Or, not necessary at all?

  • 19 years ago

    In the beginning I read that should add a bit of soil to a new bin which I did. Since then I have read it isn't necessary and I have dropped adding soil to new bins and just added food and bedding. I usually add a bit of compost to a new bin too, and that probably contains a bit of grit.

    Regards,
    Marshall

  • 19 years ago

    You seem to have most of the bases covered. It could possibly have to do with the wood-ash if you are adding it every week. Perhaps the alkalinity is building up week by week to an uncomfortable level.
    I too added a bit of dust to the mix in the beginning. I used rock dust, but sand and such or even soil with some mineral content would do for the grinding of food in the "gizzards". Since I started, I have never added more dust, or at least not conciously. I imagine there are plenty of dust or stone particles around for the worms to find when and if they have the need.

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