Just noting that Cherokee Green Grape was bred by Mark Korney, so not an heirloom and Box Car Willie as well as Mule Team, Pasture, Red Barn and Great Divide were bred by Joe Bratka's father and are not heirlooms.

But for me taste comes first rather than deciding if this or that variety is an heirloom, and that works for me but some others are much more strict about it. LOL

And the last issue I never want to see is a thread about how to decide the definition of an heirloom. Fact is there are many definitions and not just one accepted one. So when I see threads about that I just go read a good book and nibble on some great chocolate and watch some tennis on TV if it's on.LOL

Last so called fact. There are many many threads here at GW already on that topic and a search will bring them up for anyone interested, so we don't have to go through what Yogi Berra once said, which was.....it's deja vue all over again.LOL

Carolyn, is it vu or vue, my French is somewhat lacking. ( smile)

Correction, not all 17 varieties I'm growing are heirlooms I should have said some of these are heirlooms :). Sometimes my fingers type faster than my mind works.
This gettin' old ain't for sissies. I'm into growing a lot of heirloom beans not all but most so I have 'heirloom on the brain', is that a disease by any chance LOL.

Annette