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Working on the 2010 List

17 years ago

There's more than a foot of snow on the garden, so I'm working on next year's tomato list.

Pretty much every tomato we grow either goes to friends or becomes some sort of sauce. We're tomato-handicapped in that neither of us cares to eat them fresh (though we use lots of cooked tomatoes). A couple years ago, I swore I'd teach us better ways and grew cherries. Not only couldn't we get past the taste, but I made some truly hideous sauce from a massive load of Yellow Pears and Black Pearls.

Anyway, I'm tentatively hoping to grow the following varieties in 2010. All but the San Marzano are completely new to us.

Arkansas Traveler

Banjan Roomii

Bloody Butcher

Caspian Pink

Cherokee Purple

Murhurlu

Oxheart

Rio Fuego

Rutgers

San Marzano

Super Marmande

We should have room for a couple more kinds. I've narrowed the list down quite a bit to the five below. It is so tough to do!

Costoluto Genovese

Opalka

Polish Linguisa

San Marzano Redorta

Zapotec Pleated

We tend to favor a deep red sauce. We like sweet for Italian cooking, but I have to take it easy since sweet doesn't go over so well here for things like enchilada sauce.

I tried the roasting method for sauce this year and am very pleased with the results. No more worries about juicier tomatoes making thin, runny sauce when I don't have hours to cook it down. I'm still working on the seed issue, though, as they tend to get through my grandmother's Foley-type mill.

So, what do people think? Any obvious holes in the first list that could be plugged with a variety from the second list? Is there something on the first list I should skip all together? Other suggestions?

Thanks!

Comments (18)

  • 17 years ago

    Bloody Butcher - From what I've read not very tasty, early is it's saving quality

    Cherokee Purple - Most popular
    Oxheart - I've heard lots of good things

    Rutgers - had one plant this year, probably 3 or more next, very prolific and tasty.

    Opalka - Most popular paste tomato - still tenative on my list for next year, I like big slicers - any tomato can make sauce.

    Zapotec Pleated - I've heard good things, mine didn't make it to plant out this year.

    My favorite this year is Black from Tula, next year I'm also growing spudatula, spudakee purple, indian stripe. I've made some really good sauces and chiles this summer using a variety of tomatoes.

  • 17 years ago

    If you have a good hot, dry year Opalka is awesome--sweeeet and delicious. Colder, wetter years, like here last year they did not do well. I grow it every year for sauce.

  • 17 years ago

    Thank you rj and compost_pete. It seems Opalka is a for-sure addition. I've been hearing good things about Black from Tula this year. I might be giving it a try soon, too.

  • 17 years ago

    Heidi and Opalka are mentioned here a lot in this category.

    This year I grew Costoluto Genovese, and as long as it didn't rain a drop (here in Madrid that's June, July, August and September...) the fruits looked and tasted great. When the first fall rain clouds rolled  the first week of October  every fruit on the plant cracked and it seemed like the some of the flavor escaped out the cracks. For this reason it's bumped off my 2010 list.

    Good heat tolerance though, it withstood 100º+ days like a champ under 50% shade cloth.

  • 17 years ago

    Thank you ruet. Fruit cracking after a rain could be bad news here. It's nice to be forewarned.

    Now that you mention it, I've seen Heidi mentioned here a lot as well. Looks like it's time to add her to the 2011 wish list. Thanks again!

  • 17 years ago

    mrs. b, Rio Fuego did very well for me this year and it was a wet year for this region. Bloody Butcher is a staple in my garden. It is a terrific early tomato. I have grown Caspian Pink successfully in a longer than usual season, but I don't count on it.

    Costoluto Genovese would be very close considering the shorter season in the Rocky Mt. region. It is a longer season tomato that would be kind of iffy. Just my two cents. I grow in the region and many varieties are harder to grow in our shorter season.

  • 17 years ago

    Don't buy Opalka from Sandhill Preservation as it is the wrong one. Costoluto Genevese is Great if you have a long Mediteranean climate. Zapotec is basically a hollow tomato, that doesn't taste that great, I'd skip this one. Your other choices are good.

  • 17 years ago

    Those are good points jaliranchr and zebraman. With an average frost-free period of 120-140 days (depending on the source) and the tomato-happy period being even shorter, I might be grateful for some of those earlier varieties on my list. Looks like the list is two varieties shorter :) And thank you also zebraman for the tip on the Opalka seed source.

  • 17 years ago

    It is my understanding that Marmande's don't do well on American soil. I tried to grow regular Marmande and it was a failure. With the reputation, I haven't tried it again. I can't recall if Super Marmande does any better, but perhaps someone else will chime in.

  • 17 years ago

    That is interesting. I'd not heard that about Marmande. Maybe I'll get my hands on some regular Marmande seeds and try them side by side. Of course, the sample size would be too small (probably 2 of each) for my results to be statistically significant, but it might be fun anyway. Thank you for the input!

  • 17 years ago

    Hi Zombies,

    Do you have a link to that information source?

    I've never heard that before and I'm wondering if you're unknowingly and innocently repeating something remotely related to the politically motivated, anti-French bigotry from a few short years ago.

  • 17 years ago

    These are my seed purchases for 2009 some of these I am planting early 2010
    Abe Lincoln
    Airyleaf
    Alicante
    Amana Orange
    Amish Red
    Anna Russian
    Arkansas Traveler
    Azoychka
    Beefsteak
    Black Ethiopian
    Black Krim
    Black Pear
    Black Plum
    Black Prince
    Black Russian
    Black Zebra
    Box Car Willie
    Bradley
    Brandywine Red
    Brown Berry
    Buckbee's New 50 Day
    Camp Joy
    Carbon
    Ceylon
    Creole
    Cuostralee
    Delicious
    Djena Lee's Golden Girl
    Dona
    Druzba
    Earl of Edgecombe
    Ella's Pink Plum
    Eva Purple Ball
    Evergreen
    Faribo Goldhart
    Fireworks
    Galinas
    Garden Peach
    German Red Strawberry
    Glamour
    Glasnost
    Green Grape
    Green Zebra
    Grosse Ronde
    Hezhou
    Hillbilly - West Virginia
    Illini Star
    Italian Tree
    Jaune Flamme'
    Kellogg's Breakfast
    Kennington's Big Red
    Lemmony
    Lida Ukrainian
    Lime Green Salad - Det
    Malinowski
    Manalucie
    Mariannas Peace
    Moon Glow
    Moskovich - semi det
    Mule Team
    Nyagous
    Old Virginia
    Omar's Lebanese
    Orange Strawberry
    Ozark Pink
    Pantano Romanesco
    Paul Robeson
    Ponderosa Red
    Porter
    Porters Dark Cherry
    Prudens Purple
    Purple Calabash
    Red Zebra
    Riesentraube
    Rose
    Russo Italia Toggeta
    Schellenberg's Favorite
    Shirley Amish Red
    Sisters
    Slava
    Soldacki
    St Pierre
    Stone
    Stupice
    Sunray
    Sunsets Red Horizon
    Suoer Snow White
    Tangerine
    Thessaloniki
    Tigerella
    Tigerella
    Tommy Toe
    Trip L Crop
    Valencia
    Wins All or Winsall

  • 17 years ago

    That's a wonderful list will all different sizes, shapes and colors! You're definitely going to have the full tomato experience.

  • 17 years ago

    yeah I usually plant 100+ plants but right in the middle of all my plans we decided to downsize and sell our house why we could still keep a bunch of equity then moved to another home in the family with low rent - so had to fix and repair two places and didn't get to plant all of these - I have grown quite a few but try to pick up new varieties to try every year - ended up having to buy some plants because I didn't get seedlings going in time - a lot of the plants I bought came down with diseases - 1st time in 40+ years of growing - except nematoes over the years - solved by potting in that area as vapam is not allowed in Ca - don't know if it is other places - anyway I had an OK crop and got to try some new ones - some of the above were 1-2 freebies sent with each order - most of the freebies I would not have ordered

    Dennis

  • 17 years ago

    Another Heidi vote, i got a bushel in one day from 3 plants, though it doesn't have much "tomato" taste fresh, it's a sturdy one to can whole.

    My other canning star was Eva Purple Ball, my unending gratitude to whichever GT'er recommended her! She's an acceptable fresh tomato, but makes TONS of perfect fruit that can lay on the ground or hold on the vine for a LONG time like a paste tomato. Also, she has a thin skin that slips easily with a quick blanch.

    I cracked open the first jar of whole tomatoes a couple days ago, Heidi and Eva were delicious, sweet and firm, i scarfed the whole quart....

    Lke rj said, MOST any tomato can make sauce, but if you like whole tomatoes, those two are tops.

  • 17 years ago

    Your defiantly right on with the San Marzano one of the greatest sauce tomatoes of all time! You may want to add another staple such as the Roma tomato another tried and true tomato with excellent cooking ability.

  • 17 years ago

    I have a preferance for San Marzano Redorta and years ago a hybrid plum called enchantment was a big surprize - womderful taste - meaty - maybe you could find it somewhere

  • 17 years ago

    Thank you instar, ufseeds and mtbigfish. I'm so looking forward to trying your suggestions one day.

    We tried Roma for the first time this year, but they didn't do so well. They seemed awfully small (maybe averaging the size of pullet eggs, possibly a little larger). Most of them didn't ripen to a deep, rich red but instead stayed kind of orange. On the other hand, it was such a bad year, we had to pick the vast majority when they were still green and let them ripen in the hallway. I thought I was done with them, but per your recommendation, ufseeds, I'll plan to give them another try.

    A quick search turned up Enchantment at Burpee and Reimer. Funny thing, both companies are using the same photo. Wonder how that happened...?

    Thanks again!