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stuck in appliance (oven) decison loop

15 years ago

Just when I think I have it figured out I read about how so and so loves their ( fill in the blank) and then I think I would love it too and should change my plans!!

Plan A - gaggenau double ovens plus nothing fancy microwave.

- regrets : no speed oven or steam oven

Plan B - gaggenau single oven plus speed oven

- problem : need a second 240v line and where to put the speed oven since gaggenau doesn't have one( why oh why not!!) and pairing them would probably not look right.

We are a busy family of 4 ( two teenagers, work, sports) plus a boarder so 2 ovens would be in use but from what I can see a speed oven would also work instead of a full 2nd oven.

I could probaably find room for the speed oven in my island (can I put a Miele in an island?) and then it's just a question of the power. How hard can that be ...lol...island is not in place yet and floors are not done but it would mean a bit of drywall removal in the basement I think.

I need help figuring this out--is the Miele speed oven a good choice over a second full oven? And how good is the microwave function - meaning - is it user friendly? We only microwave for popcorn, reheat and to steam veggies. I like the thought of one less appliance in the kitchen with the combo speed oven/microwave function.

There is a new, never installed Miele speed oven for sale on line- model H4080 BM - bought new in Feb 2011.. but the Miele website shows the current model to be H4082- is this model just new this month?

Comments (9)

  • 15 years ago

    You can install the Miele below counter in an island. It requires at least a 20Amp 220 or 240V circuit.

    As far as getting all one brand, I would blow that off. Be satisfied that you got the best appliance you could find for each application rather than subjugate your requirements to gagganistic corporate whim. Cooks and appliance cognoscenti will approve even if your decorator doesn't.

    The Miele speed oven will do fine as just a plain microwave, so long as you don't mind using the "Minute +" button for most regular microwaving chores. E.g., heating up a coffee, hit the minute plus button once and be prepared to pull it out early. Popcorn, hit the minute plus button 3 times and be prepared for poppus interruptus, etc. While the microwave is fully controllable for time and duty cycle, there are no "popcorn" or "casserole" buttons on the front panel. You have to go into menus for detailed control.

    The 4080BM is the older speed oven variant that I own. It was replaced by the 4042 and 4082 a couple years ago. They still had the 4080 on the website a few months ago. I just noticed that they had taken them down. Expect most of the capability of the 4082 in the 4080. The interior surface is easier to clean on the newer models, and the 82 has a lower heating element which may make it more suitable to do pizza (the one thing my speed oven does not do well is pizza, but I am a purist)

    The 42 is almost a grand less and does not have the temperature probe, the lower heater element, and the digital library of dishes you can select with the "masterchef" 4082, but it has all the heating power. I never use the library anyway, so the only reason I would get the 82 would be the lower heater and the fact that the control panel is knobless, which I like.

    But I will say the Miele is a GREAT second oven/broiler/toaster oven. The "speed" component, meaning that it can cook in modes that combine broiler, convection, and microwave heating, make it quite the go-to device once you get the hang of it.

  • 15 years ago

    no to Plan A.

  • 15 years ago

    Only one addition to Gary's thorough response.

    There is another difference between the Miele 4080 vs. 4082 models: the earlier (#4080) model lets you keep its metal rack in the oven while microwaving stuff in either solo or combination modes. The newer (#4082) model's manual sez you can leave in the metal rack when microwaving in combination mode (meaning microwave power is limited to 10-40%), but not in microwave solo mode.

    Presumably this difference has something to do with the presence of the new lower heating element (hidden below the oven floor) and how microwaves bounce around inside there, but this has never actually been made clear. I'm not sure if the metal racks are different, or not.

    I bought my Miele #4082 new in August 2010; not sure when it came out.

  • 15 years ago

    chac mool You BEST RUN LIKE HE**.

    Mojavean is "Scott" A mean and liberal "Biker" As He mentioned, in an earlier post, "He owns the World" and now He owns your a, your a em ah well You know!

    Gary is Dodge59, A Mellow, Friendly, Conservative---always willing to Help, as are the rest of the "30 lb Turkeys".

    My Advice??? "Get Outta Dodge" Reak Kwiklike!!!!

    Gary

  • 15 years ago

    Geez, you guys are so like two peas in a pod -- I thought fer sure that was your post, not Scott's.

    I'm guessing it won't help much that I used to ride a Honda 90 street bike?

    My abject apologies for any unintended insults that might be construed from my innocent mistake here. I'll be quiet for a long time now...

  • 15 years ago

    In my opinion function comes first. I think you could get a lot of good use out of a speed oven.

    Were you planning a microwave anyway? If so, countertop cheapie, or built-in designer big bucks? Is the speed oven money coming out of the price difference between the double and single?

    Plan C, get the double oven and the speed oven and you'll have more oven space than you know what to do with? Also, do you ever need two ovens and a microwave all at once? (Maybe that just means an extra $100 for a Costco special that is usually stuck in an inconvenient cupboard?)

    Depending on your oven needs, the smaller Miele speed oven might not be enough space for you. Make sure you look carefully at the cavity size (in person, with pots) before you decide for sure.

    Someone said that Gaggenau does make a speed oven, but don't bring it to the U.S. How would that help the decision, though? If you would jump at the Gaggenau speed oven to pair with the Gaggenau single convection, why should it be any difference with a different speed oven. My Advantium is across the room from my Gaggenau, but they don't look odd in the same visual space. I'm sure the Miele would look fine with it too. If that's not convenient or doesn't suit you, fine, put the speed oven in the island. But it's still the same function of a speed oven and single convection oven, right?

  • 15 years ago

    N.B. - on the current generation of Miele Speed Ovens the minute + button ramps up in 30 sec. intervals.

    I still need to check up on leaving the metal rack in during microwaving with new ovens.

  • 15 years ago

    When my friend Gary says "mean," he means logical. And I am not that sort of biker to be bothered by comparisons with contented Orange County Republican retirees with penchants for Mopar products. My first ride was on a Honda Super Cub exactly a half-century ago. It seems like only yesterday.

    I have ridden just about everything, but right now my main ride is a Kawasaki Concours 14.

  • 15 years ago

    OK Since you rode on 2 wheels, all "Miss Conceptions" shall be "Overlooked", chac mool, Please feel free to post again.

    My first "Real 2 wheeler was a 650 BSA.
    I am about to "Embark" on my 2nd 2-Wheeler,
    soon as I find the "Guts" to take the training wheels
    off my wheel chair!

    Gary