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18 years ago

I searched the archives for Getting Started and got over 350 hits back. Hope if I am more specific I won't have to wade through all of those. This is painful after reading for a while about people doing $50 and $80k kitchen remodeling. We aren't going to do that - we have a budget of $10,000 to do as much as we can in a house that is 26 years old. Our kitchen was generic in its time - almond laminate counters, medium-dark oak cabinets that are vinyl covered boxes with real oak doors, soffit all the way around the kitchen, and vinyl flooring. The refrig and dishwasher need to be replaced. I replaced the oven 2 years ago with a stainless steel Maytag Gemini - 2 ovens and black glass top. The entire room is wallpapered and the former owner used glue of some kind to continue keeping the wallpaper edges in place. I know from doing just the laundry room that the original building contractor glued the wallpaper directly to the drywall so taking it off and remudding the walls will either eat up a lot of the budget or we have to cover over it. I have a quote of $1500 to do these kitchen walls.

A friend suggested I go to Home Depot or Lowes and let them act as the GC by coordinating the installation of new flooring, counters, wall covering. Given my limited budget is that a real option? Is there somewhere that I can find out which items I should spend the most on? Like I'd like to have Corian counters with a built in backsplash. I cook a lot from scratch and my kitchen is genuinely used daily. Easy to clean, low maintenance appeals to me.

I just went to someones house who put in Corian and she says it does scratch and lose its luster from use. Can anyone tell me what their experience has been?

We live in a heavily wooded area and the garden and outside debris the kids and pets bring in keeps the kitchen floors dirty - so I'm thinking vinyl again instead of hardwood, which would match better, but I'm concerned about scratching. I have had stone and ceramic in former homes and don't want to go there.

The adjacent rooms have light-medium cherry floors but as I said, I would be very concerned about the care of that in my kitchen area. I did think about putting in a mix of slate-look vinyl in the high use spaces like in front of the sink, primary prep counter and stove, and hardwood elsewhere. I'd like to look at some pictures though.

There are so many things I'd like to change! Like my kitchen sink is facing into a corner and the huge corner cabinet underneath is wasted space. I'd like to turn it onto a long outside wall and extend the existing window so I can look outside from the sink. Then just put a lazy susan into the corner cabinet. I'd like a giant sink instead of my double that I can't get my biggest items into. I'd like a cool new faucet set up. I'd like one of those deep cabinets over the refrigerator that I can get the big serving pieces into. We have no real pantry so I stock extras in the basement. The cabinet that could be called pantry is about 3 feet deep, dark and you can't find anything. I hate to keep anything in the bottom shelves because I have to get on my hands and knees to look down there. I've thought about framing a door on the side of it and letting it be opened from the side as well as the front so I could see things.

What are the latest things people like in refrigerators? I don't think side by sides hold as much - or do they?

I've been reading this forum and really like the idea of drawers for pots and pans. Can that be installed in existing cabinetry?

Probably the biggest area I will have to work on is the cabinets. I don't really have budget for replacement so that means painting or refacing. HomeDepot says refacing costs as much as replacement in many cases but I haven't really sat down with them yet on this. I do not like oak at all but thats what I have. They are pretty heavily grained so either they would have to be sanded, wiped with a stain for an intentional rustic look - not my first choice or something.

On that corner cabinet where my sink is. Who would I go to to find out what my options are and what the costs will be?

I've always hesitated to accept the offers of free visits and advice from kitchen and bath stores - mindful that they need to make a $ too and I might not buy anything from them. Is there an option?

I prefer a clean looking kitchen in light colors. I tend toward an warm, eclectic mix of clean modern with antiques in the rest of the house. Because of the oak cabs, I feel like my kitchen could end up looking really country and that's not exactly what I want.

I'd be grateful for any thoughts on how to minimize the running around and headaches of getting started. We've had illness in the family and I'm already a busy parent and back in grad school. I've gone into showrooms and the big box stores but I don't know how to get started. Thanks for your help!

Angie

Comments (5)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Depending on the size of your kitchen, and depending on you being handy, $10,000 is going to take a lot of creativity. HD and Lowes are good for getting basic plans for ideas. Check out some of their cheaper lines. HD has premier which is a cheaper line of Kraftmaid. Their website is: http://www.premiercabinetry.com We used Kraftmaid as I didn't know about them - they have our door style, but not wood, so it may go in parts of our basement so I can have things coordinated. Kraftmaid also has an outlet in Ohio depending on how flexable you are with color, size and how close you live (although one woman made a trip from CA on here). And, there is always Ikea for reasonably priced.

    For appliances, check the scratch and dent sections and Sears Outlets (we bought our fridge online at 1/2 price though Sears).

    We have vinyl due to the same concerns as you - I got a really cheap one ($60 off the shelf) as I couldn't decide and I love it - no scratches, no tears and easy to clean. Flooring is something you can always change later.

    Once you start to move plumbing and electrical, in less you are DIY, it will get very expensive so consider that when you are looking at your design. Several of us on here did DIY and are very happy with the results.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I don't know where you are located, but you could try Habitat for Humanity's "Restore" for second hand builing stuff. People on this board seem to have good luck with Craigslist and ebay as well.

    I have seen great budget kitchens in Better Homes and Gardens - if I can put my fingers on the magazine I'll send you the name of it. THey have some super ideas about where to source stuff and how to work wonders with what you have.

    When I was deciding, I looked at what I wanted to get out of the kitchen, what drove me nuts, and what my most important points were. I was definitely willing to compromise on things like counters and floors (although I seem to have lucked out and gotten what I wanted) in order to have the gas cooktop I have always wanted.

    Others have made a list of priorities and tackled the things as they could afford to. That may be another way to stretch the budget. I think bayareafrancy lived with plywood counters for almost 3 years?

    Good luck!

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I've just done a pretty significant remodel on a very tight budget - small space, but we needed a fair bit of structural work, and to make that work possible we had to keep our materials budget superlow.

    I got beautiful kraftmaid cabinets and Cambria quartz countertop on Craigslist; also, all my appliances (new). It can take time and research, but if you're willing to do that kind of legwork, you can get some great finds.

    Our budget is 15k, btw, so it CAN be done - we also got supremely lucky in finding a wonderful GC who took this on as a "fun challenge" rather than a "crazy nightmare" and who has really made the entire project possible and very satisfying. Keep researching, and eventually the pieces will fall into place!

    Best of luck with it :)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree that you first need to decide those things that you most need/want changed and those that could wait. Things like the soffit - are the upper cabs attached? Can you really change that without changing the cabs? Add it to the maybe later list if not. Wall could be an easy temp fix - if tearing down and redoing the wall will be too much, what about putting up a textured paper and then painting it? They do make paintable papers for that reason. Cabs can be sanded and painted or stained, but do your research on this and do it right. It can look great, or it can turn out really bad. You have to be willing to put the time into it. If you think you may replace them down the road, don't spend a fortune on the counters. There are some nice laminates in different finishes now that look very similar to granite or Corian. You could do a full back splash (up to the cab bottoms) in all sorts of inexpensive things - tile, beadboard, tin, etc - to add interest as well as cover up that ugly wallpaper. If you don't want hardwood or tile I would likely stick to laminate; again, if you change things later you haven't blown the bank. Start searching flooring stores for remnants for a real deal. I wouldn't do a mix of wood and laminate though - too busy.
    Plumbing can get spendy, so decide if the sink move is a must. If your cabs open themselves up to the plan you want with a lazy susan, the swap shouldn't be that hard if you are getting new counters. You can find great deals on sinks and faucets online - I got a $500 faucet for $135!

    Were it me, I would opt for these cosmetic fix ups and get the new appliances. Those can travel to a new home or fit into any future remodel. I got a wonderful deal on a whole set through an ebay store - Camdens1. Nicest people in the world and great prices . . but limited selection.

    I would not waste much time at HD or Lowes, honestly. I'd ask for referrals to a good GC and at minimum get a consult on things like the sink move. If you are at all DIY (and if you aren't it's a great time to start) you will save yourself oodles of money.

    Best of luck - keep us posted!

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Check the "Remodeling Kitchen" thread below. Some of the steps I think will help you better define/identify what you want to do.

    Right now you seem to be all over the map...not a bad thing, at least initially, but now it's time to pare down your list to what is doable on your budget. In particular, take the Sweeby Test (First Step in the attached thread) to help you focus on what you want out of this remodel.

    You really need to prioritize what needs to be changed now and what can wait until later when more funds become available.

    Check on all your cabinet options, not just cost but how much work it will be for you:
    * paint
    * strip & re-stain
    * reface
    * replace...check out Ikea. If there's one near you, go and see their cabinets....or check them online. Many on this site love them and swear by their sturdy build, great design, and standard hinges & drawer glides. There's even an Ikeafans website to help you with planning, installation, and customization...all, I think, DIY.

    As others mentioned, keep in mind that some things can add significantly to cost...for example, moving plumbing, electrical, and gas lines.

    If your corner sink base is very large, is it possible to install pullout shelves or bins to make the space usable rather than move the sink?

    As to replacing current cabinets with drawers, I don't know. You can probably replace fixed shelves easily enough with pullout shelves, but I don't know about replacing them w/drawers. Another option is to attach the pullout shelves to the door, but that will affect accessibility of the lower shelves.

    With a tight budget it can be tough, but I remember reading somewhere that tight budgets often result in some of the best and most creative kitchen designs since you have to think through everything carefully and thoroughly.

    Take your time...do not rush. Keep asking questions and working at it until you come up with something you can live with and work with! We will help you...

    Good luck!

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    Here is a link that might be useful: Thread: Remodeling kitchen