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Help with kitchen plan?

16 years ago

Hello,

I designed the house, with the exception of the kitchen dining room, which I don't care for. The fridge is so far from the sink, I just don't like it and have to have a final revision next week. I have no window in yet so I can be very flexible. Standard appliances, stainless, with white cabinets and handscraped dark hardwood floors.

Thank you for and advice.

Here is a link that might be useful: kitchen floorplan

Comments (13)

  • 16 years ago

    If you could possibly do a tiny one with the entire first floor plan, that would be nice. Sometimes that helps people see an opportunity. The construction photos are great to see - it really helps to see the volume of space too.

    I have one big question first. Can the bay window move to where the kitchen window is and the kitchen and dining room trade places?

  • 16 years ago

    I'd push the peninsula out until the bases under it were even with the fridge. It's probably a foot or less, but it will keep the fridge from standing out by itself, and loosen up that corner by the sink that's a tad cramped. It has the drawback of making the dining room smaller, but I'd try the idea against your furniture layout because if you could manage it, the kitchen function would be nicer.
    Casey

  • 16 years ago

    How about moving the sink and dishwasher to the peninsula? Then you would have a nice long uninterrupted countertop below the windows for your prep.

  • 16 years ago

    Do you want/like peninsula kitchen plans? What are the dimensions of the room? Looks like maybe 12' across? That's a tough size. Not room for an island and wide for getting across while doing tasks, and you can see, not much space to each side of your range. If you're building your own new house, to your own specific plans, I'd like to see you get a more custom kitchen...designed to meet your needs and serve you wonderfully.

  • 16 years ago

    This should help:

    {{gwi:2105735}}

  • 16 years ago

    Detailed dimensions would really help.

    Questions...

    • Do you have another DR or is this the only eating area?

    Can doors be changed?
    Can interior walls be changed?
    Can exterior walls be changed?
    "Standard appliances"? There's really no standard... So...

    • Refrigerator...standard depth or counter depth? Width? (Regardless of size, recommend planning for at least 36"W x 72"H)

    • 30" Range, I'm assuming, since I don't see any ovens.

    • Sink...what size? Double or Single bowl? (If double, recommend 36" and get one w/large bowl on one side & small bowl on the other)

    • Vent hood? 30" or 36" (it's recommended it be 6" wider, but if you don't do high-heat/high-smoke cooking, the extra 6" isn't mandatory...just highly recommended to increase efficiency and effectiveness)

    • DW...OK, this is standard, 24"

    • MW...

      • countertop?

      • Shelf above the counter/below the upper cabinets?

      • Under counter (drawer or countertop model in alcove)?


    What is your family composition? # adults, # children, age ranges of children (remember, even if your children are small, plan for teen-size since children grow very quickly!)
    Do you entertain a lot? Formal? Informal?

    Rather than reinvent the wheel, here's the "Layout" section from the "Read Me" thread. It includes quite a few questions that will help....


    ++++++++++++++++++


    We often get requests to help with layouts. Many of us enjoy doing this but it would help if you can post a copy of your layout, preferably to-scale.

    • The best place to start is to draw up your kitchen (to scale, if possible) either without cabinets & appliances if you don't know where to start or with your proposed new layout if you have something to start with. Regardless, measure and label everything...walls, ceiling height, widths of doors & windows, distances between windows, walls, doorways, etc.

    If you cannot move plumbing or gas, mark them on your drawing as well.
    Mark all doorways & windows (with dimensions) and label them as to where they lead. If they're actual doors, mark how they swing.
    It also would be helpful to see the connecting rooms, even layouts, so we see how they interact with the kitchen and/or extend the kitchen feel and flow.
    Make note of traffic flows in and out of the kitchen

    Make a list of things like:

    • What are your goals? E.g., more counter space, more storage, seating in the kitchen (island? peninsula? table?), etc.

    What is your family composition? Adults? Children? Age ranges of children? Current? Future?
    How many kitchen workers are there? Cook(s)? Cleanup? Helpers? Now? Future? (E.g., if you have young children, plan for them as teens for both "sizing" of seating as well as helping in the kitchen in general)
    How do you see your kitchen used? Just for cooking/cleaning up? Children doing homework while you cook?
    Do you entertain a lot? Formal? Informal?
    Do you want your kitchen to be a "hang out" place? Parties only? Everyday?
    Do you...

  • 16 years ago

    Thank you all so much. I so appreciate your advice. Living in a rural area, itÂs hard to get great advice sometimes. This plan is what the kitchen designer I worked with came up with, and I really donÂt care for it in that I have nowhere for my custom 48" wall pot rack, and the fridge issue.

    I had planned to move the counter out to match the fridge, but move the fridge because itÂs a long walk from the fridge to sink. Not sure where it would fit. I would love an island but not sure how to get it to fit.

    Detailed dimensions:
    Kitchen 12Â x 14Â
    Dining 12Âx 14Â, not including bump out.

    Dining room bump out is a full french door. This is our only eating area. There will also be chairs on the peninsula facing kitchen,

    â¨The house is for just my husband and I, we are very casual. We entertain, but that is also casual.

    The exterior walls and all windows except kitchen windows are in. Doorway to kitchen can be changed if needed.â¨

    By standard appliances I mean not professional grade, just mid range stainless. No wall oven. Although I currently have double ovens and love them, the breast cancer surgery left my arm so weak I can not manage a wall oven any longer. This is also why I am concerned with the walk to fridge from sink, very tiring. Am hoping for stainless countertops.

    I would love to post a picture of the whole floorplan, but every time I go to post the pics, the link from photobucket is rejected. i will keep at it.

    As far as taking room from the dining room, I can. take another foot or two at most.

    I love to bake and cook. The only think I would not want to live without would be my pot rack. I would love to post a picture if I can figure it out.

  • 16 years ago

    This is just a shot in the dark since others are way more experienced in developing layouts then I am. I'm thinking of moving both runs down to about where the outside edge of the closest (bedroom?) is shown... looks about 2'? I'd keep the frig on that end and place the main sink and DW there with uppers for dish storage. Instead of one large window where you show the sink now I'd do the range where the sink is flanked by two smaller windows. You'd then be able to vent direct outside (I think). Where the range is now, I'd place a prep sink toward the end giving you a nice prep/baking counter and a great wall to display your beloved pot rack. I don't have a decent capacity to draw... does that make sense at all?

  • 16 years ago

    Here is my little question - how about putting the range on the peninsula? I love facing out when I cook, hate facing a wall. I know that lots of people like to do a backsplash on the wall for the range, so a peninsula range might not work for you. The peninsula could be a little wider to make it more comfortable for both the range and guests.

    If you moved your range to the peninsula, the fridge could go where you presently have the range. It would be more convenient, less walking. Then, you'd have a nice long counter on the wall perfect for buffets, pot lucks, bringing in groceries, and such.

    I do think the kitchen itself is a bit cramped. I'd rather have a bigger kitchen and less dining room, but that is just my preference. It has to be what you want.

    The pantry is probably just fine for a 2 person family. As the house has three bedrooms, you might sell one day to someone with a larger family. A larger pantry can be attractive. If you shop at places like Costco or Sam's Club, you might appreciate a larger pantry for hauls of cases of items.

    If the fridge stays where it is, you would probably be better off moving the peninsula out a bit to even up with the outer edge of the fridge as someone earlier suggested.

  • 16 years ago

    I've added a few inspiration pictures from the cabinet company I like. I love the layout of the one with the island.
    Thank you!

    Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchen plan with inspiration pics

  • 16 years ago

    I've added a few inspiration pictures from the cabinet company I like. I love the layout of the one with the island.
    Thank you!

    Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchen plan with inspiration pics

  • 16 years ago

    Kind of a demi-island.
    {{gwi:2105736}}

    Both the cooktop and sink face the windows. The cooktop will need an island hood.

    I feel it is a real mistake to think using the oven in a range will be more "do-able" than a wall oven. Even if all you need is a micro and single oven, it would be better to do wall mounted ovens at so the normal baking rack was waist height + a few inches. Heavy baking dishes would be at your arm level with the least lifting required - more a pivot and set down. They mount ovens at about 48" high in Europe.

  • 16 years ago

    I have posted the floor plan at link below. I have modified the kitchen plan to be a g-shaped kitchen, but does not show in plan. Am drawing it ut on graph paper and will post when done.
    Thank you all!

    Here is a link that might be useful: Floor Plan